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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2002, 11:26:33 PM »
looks awesome@!
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2002, 03:04:06 AM »
Something seems screwy here, and its not Wotan's proposal:

Spit_9 -- 35/+21=56  
Mossie -- 34/+16=50


The Spitfire Mk IX had a max range of 434 miles on internal fuel.  The Mosquito  Mk VI had a max range on internal fuel of 1,220 miles and 1,860 miles with drop tanks.  Yet in AH the Spitfire Mk IX has a greater time endurance than does the Mosquito.  I know the Mossie had a higher cruising speed, but not THAT much higher.

The amount of fuel was originally too little, but Pyro fixed that.  Now I'm thinking that Pyro may have looked at the fuel consumption rate and thought it was for one engine when it was for both, then doubled it to account for both engines.

The Spitfire Mk IX has 137 gallons of internal fuel and is powered by one 1,565hp Merlin 61.

The Mosquito Mk VI has 543 gallons of internal fuel and is powered by two 1,635hp Merlin 25s.

Could Merlin 25s really drink that much faster?

(sorry about hijacking your thread Wotan)
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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2002, 03:22:09 AM »
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main is at 1.5 and the chart I posted above is snefens and is at 2.0


I litlebit lost here...
Snefens chart clearly say "Fuel Multiplier = x2 (Main Arena) (Fighters)"

Chart is dated 3rd July 2002 (v.1.10)

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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2002, 12:53:35 PM »
Wotan, I'd remove the P-38L from the setup.  We're handcuffed by only having a mid '44 P-38L, but in this setup, I think it's a bit too much.

A P-38L in the setup means you've got a later plane than the P-47D-25, P-51D, the Spitfire XIV, the Tempest, the 109G-10, and the 190F-8, not to mention the JABO capabilities of the P-38L.  It really looks like you're trying for a 1943 flavor, and I think the P-38L is a bit too much for that time period.  Like I said in Jarbo's thread, it sucks we only have a '44 P-38L, but I don't think we should use it everywhere there was an earlier P-38.  (much like I'm against using the Ki-67 as a Betty substitute just because they are both Japanese.)

A lotta people forget that the P-38L hit the lines about the same time that the Me262 did (mid 1944).  The only planes that came after the P-38L in our planeset are the Dora and Ta152, CHog and 4Hog, the P-47D-30, the George, the Ki-67 and the Ar234.  (The me262 and F6F-5 came out the same month as the P-38L).  I'm using the list Funkedup made given posters' inputs awhile back.

Anyways, if the P-38L stays, I'd recommend at least adding the 190F-8 and possibly the 109G-10 as well.
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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2002, 01:12:01 PM »
yup i thought about this the other day. the 38s impact of the eto was relatively minor compared to the other planes.

Is ord loadout would ensure its "overusage" in this setup.

The other questions I am debating is the b26.

It will be 2 weeks before I am up so keep the comments coming.

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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2002, 03:26:03 PM »
that (ordnance issue) and the fact I think the P-38L is the best fighter in the setup (tho a good 109/190 stick can deal with it fairly well.)   Could always perk it I guess?

The B-26 was used for tactical strikes along the French and Dutch coast during big week.  The B-17s and B-24s did the bombing deep into Germany.  I think the B-26 should be active in the setup as it was intended to strike at airfields in France and Holland during Big Week (tho weather cancelled most of the attacks).  Not sure about the Havoc.  It wasn't mentioned for the European Theater in Feb 1944 in the chronology I've got, Combat Chronology of the US Army Air Forces.  I pulled it off of ftp.rutgers.edu in directory pub/wwii/usaf awhile back.  It's pretty good for finding out USAAF activities on any given day in WWII.

Day 1 recap of Big Week (Feb 20, 1944).  You can see the P-47 did by far most of the escort duty.
 
STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force): Mission 226: The Eighth Air Force begins "Big Week," attacks on German aircraft plants and airfields. For the first time, over 1,000 bombers are dispatched; 21 bombers and 4 fighters are lost hitting 3 areas in Germany, i.e.:

1. 417 B-17s are dispatched to Leipzig/Mockau Airfield, and aviation industry targets at Heiterblick and Abnaundorf; 239 hit the primary targets, 37 hit Bernburg, 44 hit Oschersleben and 20 hit other targets of opportunity; they claim 14-5-6 Luftwaffe aircraft; 7 B-17s are lost, 1 damaged beyond repair and 161 damaged; casualties are 7 KIA, 17 WIA and 72 MIA.

2. 314 B-17s are dispatched to the Tutow Airfield; 105 hit the primary and immediate area, 76 hit Rostock and 115 hit other targets of opportunity; they claim 15-15-10 Luftwaffe aircraft; 6 B-17s are lost, 1 damaged beyond repair and 37 damaged; casualties are 3 KIA and 60 MIA.

3. 272 B-24s are dispatched to aviation industry targets at Brunswick, Wilhelmtor and Neupetritor; 76 hit the primary, 87 hit Gotha, 13 hit Oschersleben, 58 hit Helmstedt and 10 hit other targets of opportunity; they claim 36-13-13 Luftwaffe aircraft; 8 B-24s are lost, 3 damaged beyond repair and 37 damaged; casualties are 10 KIA, 10 WIA and 77 MIA.

Missions 1 and 3 above are escorted by 94 P-38s, 668 Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-47s and 73 Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-51s; they claim 61-7-37 Luftwaffe aircraft; 1 P-38, 2 P-47s and 1 P-51 is lost, 2 P-47s are damaged beyond repair and 4 aircraft are damaged; casualties are 4 MIA.

Mission 227: 4 of 5 B-17s drop 200 bundles of leaflets on Tours, Nantes, Brest and Lorient, France at 2123-2200 hours without loss.

TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Ninth Air Force): 35 B-26s bomb Haamstede Airfield, The Netherlands, as a target of opportunity, after about 100 B-26s abort attacks on other airfields because of weather.
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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2002, 08:58:18 PM »
If we did maybe a 1941/42 setup there wouldnt be many jabo aircraft.... And I would be able to fly my hurri Mk1 :D

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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2002, 09:45:50 PM »
Set up sounds great. Looking forward to it. With all due respect to Cajun, I could care less about being stuck with a Hurri I or Spit I right now.:D  

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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2002, 09:53:35 PM »
cajun after last week, I dont want to see another hurri for a year.

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« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2002, 05:16:37 AM »
No.9 will support this format, the only concerns are numbers making it hard to get fighter escort for our bombers. What dates are you running from and to I'd like to mark them on our squad calendar.

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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2002, 09:30:54 AM »
revvin, if you are in on normal times eg est 7-11pm, you can always ask the vf27.  We have been working with the raf 880th on escorted bomber missions for several weeks now.  Our squad nights, and really the biggest night in the CT is tuesdays and thursdays at 10pm est.

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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2002, 10:09:57 AM »
ERG!!!

5 lashes for calling us RAF, and another 5 for 880"th".

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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2002, 10:14:02 AM »
Geez ERG!
Calling 880 FAA RAF??

Don't you know you guys are Brothers in Rust Picking??

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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2002, 10:19:04 AM »
Sept 27 - Oct 3 should be the setup.

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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2002, 05:49:40 PM »
dude, I thought you guys were raf!  sorry.  


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