Author Topic: Now the sane and rational reflection... (Read 1328 times)

miko2d · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2002, 02:32:28 PM »

Elfenwolf:...but when people start calling other people contemptious names like "Raghead" or "cupcake" they lose my respect.
"Raghead" is like a "green beret" - referres to the fasion of their headwear rather than content of their cranium. He dislikes them but he does respect them.
And he would never say "cupcake" - he uses the word "diversity".

Thud: is there anyone who can discover even a remote connection between the xenofobic ranting of 'mr.' Reed and the thread title which has the words sane and rational in it
The title referres to how accurately Mr. Reeds views reflect reality rather than how pleasant they are to hear.
Our veterans (and Reed is one with Purple Heart) were known to call our enemies Japs, Jerries and Charlies, etc. and than bring japanese, german and vietnamese wives back with them. So I guess sometimes the 'xenophobic ranting' may be a transient condition.

And name calling is only considered disgracefull if used towards a weaker opponent. He clearly does not believe it to be the case. Maybe once they stop winning and start getting hurt, he will chose his words more carefully.

His perception of Moslems is small-brained and narrow-minded.
I got a completely opposite impression. That is what american people in general think - not him. Hie perception of them is as smart and crafty and worthy adversaries.
He does not believe that they were cowards or that 911 was terrorism but rather an event of a war that was going on for years.

miko

senna · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2002, 02:33:41 PM »

Two more lines.

I also wana say that terrorism and hijacking of football games would really suck.

Football players need halftime cas the quarterback is sometimes, kana slo thinker and players need to rest and toss the ball around a bit.

Woohoo, nuff said.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2002, 02:38:48 PM »

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Originally posted by LoneStarBuckeye
Also, I didn't read the article to claim something like, "All Muslims are responsible for the acts of terror on 9/11," or "All Muslims are evil." I think the point he was making is that the perpetrators and enablers were Arab Muslims and that to ignore that fact in the name of political correctness is not only stupid but dangerous.

- JNOV

Here is what I found in the article:
"The Moslem world is going to love every minute of it."
"Now the Moslems kill a few thousand people in New York..."
"What people have been consistently kicking our teeth in for decades?" ..."Moslems?"
"The Moslems have got our number."
"[The Moslems] appear to rely on what is becoming an international formula for defeating the United States"

I don't see how someone can not see this as a racist/religious generalzation. It's like generalzing and saying that Christians are responsible for the murder of abortion providers.

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Originally posted by miko2d
"Raghead" is like a "green beret" - referres to the fasion of their headwear rather than content of their cranium. He dislikes them but he does respect them.

Please tell me that you are kidding. You are comparing the term "Raghead" to "Green Beret"?!?

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #18 on:** September 12, 2002, 02:47:55 PM »

Mickey:

That's just not how I read it. I think that in all of those statements, he is referring to those that participated in or reveled in the acts of terror wrought by Arab Muslims in the recent past.

In any case, if you are right about what he meant, then I do not agree with him. To relate one of my favorite movie quotes, "Any man who judges by the group is a pea-wit."

- JNOV

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2002, 02:54:53 PM »

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Originally posted by LoneStarBuckeye
Mickey:

...he is referring to those that participated in or reveled in the acts of terror wrought by Arab Muslims in the recent past...

- JNOV

The word "reveled" seems rather vague. Does this include those Palestinians who celebrated 9-11 in the streets?

Eagler · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2002, 03:06:30 PM »

I use the term "raghead" as it is a compliment to the sand sucking, goat humping murders

I do not consider all Moslems ragheads, only the ones that would like to see my family and yours murdered and dragged through the streets while they shot their guns off, danced in the street and did the idiotic tongue holler...

Plus DOwNiNG really likes it when I use the term

midnight Target · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2002, 03:08:09 PM »

I got a completely opposite impression. That is what american people in general think - not him. Hie perception of them is as smart and crafty and worthy adversaries.

Calling THEM crafty or calling THEM ragheads or calling THEM anything is just the point. Its the word THEM that is offensive and generalizing. Come on Miko, I know you are too intelligent to fall for something this trite and unthinking.

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2002, 03:18:34 PM »

Elf:

Yes, it was that image that brought the term "revel" to mind. The author's phrase regarding "loving every minute of it" seems to accurately describe those folks' reactions to the attack.

- JNOV

miko2d · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2002, 03:37:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Please tell me that you are kidding. You are comparing the term "Raghead" to "Green Beret"?!?

Don't they repectfully call or Green Berets "Pancake Hats"?

midnight Target: Its the word THEM that is offensive and generalizing. Come on Miko, I know you are too intelligent to fall for something this trite and unthinking.
Flattered. But consideration is a prerogative of a strong. We are losing here - our way of life if not our country, so there must be a time before it's too late to stop sorting and start shooting. The God will sort them out and we will appologise for excesses when the war is over.

Oedipus: I missed that. I did see the the rather large crowds doing just that in Pakistan, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq and several other countries though.
Do those "other countries" by any chance include US, UK, France, Holland, Sweden and Canada? If so, you can catch the celebrations a year from now.

miko

Thud · « **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2002, 04:08:54 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d

We are losing here - our way of life if not our country, so there must be a time before it's too late to stop sorting and start shooting. The God will sort them out and we will appologise for excesses when the war is over.

miko

Hmmm, that sort of statements doesn't really add to your credibility. I'm sure you're familiar with the expression 'lowering yourself to their level'.... (BTW with the 'them' as referred to in 'their' I don't mean all muslims, as do you and Reed, just the extremist morons who'd bend and change any religion to suit their sick needs/goals)

BTW, I don't really understand why in all discussions related to 9/11, the Middle East etc. always the bunch of illiterate, indoctrinated and disillusioned palestinians who were cheering after the terrorist attacks are mentioned. I hardly ever hear ayone ventilate their anger towards the thousands of US citizens who sympathized with or condoned the Oklahoma bombing, while that was an attack just as despicable and cowardly as these ones, thus those people are equally at fault.

Udie · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2002, 04:11:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Thud
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BTW, I don't really understand why in all discussions related to 9/11, the Middle East etc. always the bunch of illiterate, indoctrinated and disillusioned palestinians who were cheering after the terrorist attacks are mentioned. I hardly ever hear ayone ventilate their anger towards the thousands of US citizens who sympathized with or condoned the Oklahoma bombing, while that was an attack just as despicable and cowardly as these ones, thus those people are equally at fault.

I don't really remember thousands of Americans dancing in the streets after the Ok. city bombing.............

Thud · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2002, 04:15:34 PM »

That's indeniably true, but you know as much as i do that many had some sympathy for the act in question. Tell me, does your support or understanding for such an act weigh less if you don't dance in the streets?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2002, 04:25:31 PM »

MT

So the concept of "THEM" is racist and offensive now?

You are truly idiotic MT. How on earth do you classifly a group of people with out the word THEM? Do you think during WW2 that we should not have said we were at war with, THEM, the Japanese and Germans....

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #28 on:** September 12, 2002, 04:28:32 PM »

Thud:

I don't know of anyone who supported the despicable bombing in OK, although it is inevitably true that you are correct in surmising that some did. (And, I believe that if those who did or do were known, they would be reviled.) But to answer your question: Yes, I think that one's support or understanding does "weigh less if you don't dance in the streets," and for a number of reasons.

Here are two: First, when you dance in the street, you rub salt in a raw, open wound. You have, in a very real way, added to the pain of those already suffering. Second, when you dance in the street, you let everyone know exactly where you stand. For those, like me, that would judge by one's actions and character rather than by name, race, or creed, when you dance in the streets in celebration of an unequivocally and obviously heinous act, your actions have spoken, your character has been revealed, and you have chosen sides.

- JNOV

midnight Target · « **Reply #29 on:** September 12, 2002, 04:30:16 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
MT

So the concept of "THEM" is racist and offensive now?

You are truly idiotic MT. How on earth do you classifly a group of people with out the word THEM? Do you think during WW2 that we should not have said we were at war with, THEM, the Japanese and Germans....

Careful Groinhurts, calling someone idiotic might piss them off enough to make them call you names. The point is you DON'T classify a group of people like that Idiot! You may speak ill of those who do you wrong, but lumping Muslems into a group such as this like saying Christians are devious and racist and hateful because you don't like the KKK. Get it?