Author Topic: Now the sane and rational reflection... (Read 1320 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #45 on:** September 13, 2002, 01:40:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Kanth
my point is calling the guy a racist is as mistaken as him classifying all muslims as terrorists.

Ah gotcha. Based on the defintion I gave you, I would have to agree.

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #46 on:** September 13, 2002, 03:18:26 AM »

Elfenwolf:

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Do you really believe there's more than just the usual nut burger fringe element who DOESN'T want ALL those responsible for 9-11 brought to justice? This isn't about left vs. right, at least in my opinion. It's about justice.

I tend to agree that this isn't about left vs. right, but I'm not at all sure that what most people want is justice. I think that what most people want is retribution. Justice is an abstract concept that raises too many inconvenient questions about things like prior wrongs, mitigating circumstances, etc. Justice implies a balancing (indeed, I suspect that it was precisely this balancing that was being debated in the classroom discussion that inspired the "9/11 Opinions of Today's Youth" thread). That is not to imply that I think the scales could tip in but one direction, but retribution is much easier to figure out. Most people just want to pull the trigger without even thinking about the scales. Personally, I don't care about either, except to the extent they are subsumed by taking whatever action is necessary to guarantee our national security and taking our best shot at ensuring that nothing like that ever happens again.

"Vengeance is mine," saith the Lord.

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BTW I almost choked when you called MT a "shark." If that's the case you should show him a little professional courtesy.

LOL!

- JNOV

midnight Target · « **Reply #47 on:** September 13, 2002, 11:59:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Kanth
my point is calling the guy a racist is as mistaken as him classifying all muslims as terrorists.

Semantically speaking you are correct. Calling him a generalist or a religious bigot just didn't seem to have sufficient impact. My apologies to Daniel Webster.

I was mistaken, he wasn't. Reed purposely lumped muslims into a single group. He wrote a bigoted article and it has nothing to do with mistakes, and everything to do with being a fatuous, idiotic, imbecilic, driveling, babbling, vacant, sottish, bewildered fool.

miko2d · « **Reply #48 on:** September 13, 2002, 12:14:08 PM »

Well, when you read "let's hit muslims" it's you choice to interpret it as "let's exterminate every single man, woman and child on the planet that is a muslim regardless where they are or what repationship they have to the current situation".

Or based on context of our experience you could translate it as "let's catch some muslim terrorists and topple a few dangerous muslim regimes that support those and opress their subjects so that men, women and children of muslim persuasion around the world could live happy lives enjoying liberties and dignity".

As I said, we fought germans and japanese - we did not exterminate them.
It's good that US soldiers had more sense then some and when hearing an order to go fight japanese did not slaughter indicriminantely or demanded names and pictures of exact people they had to fight to avoid mistake.

miko

midnight Target · « **Reply #49 on:** September 13, 2002, 12:45:29 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Well, when you read "let's hit muslims" it's you choice to interpret it as "let's exterminate every single man, woman and child on the planet that is a muslim regardless where they are or what repationship they have to the current situation".

Or based on context of our experience you could translate it as "let's catch some muslim terrorists and topple a few dangerous muslim regimes that support those and opress their subjects so that men, women and children of muslim persuasion around the world could live happy lives enjoying liberties and dignity".

miko

Now THAT is just silly!

So if I were to say "lets hit the (insert Miko's surname here)'s " you could choose to interpret that as "lets get them all" or just "lets get those who are overly wordy".

I think you must be just practicing your English again.

miko2d · « **Reply #50 on:** September 13, 2002, 01:10:29 PM »

That's where I would use my experience to determine what you mean.
When WWII period people said "let's kill hitlers" everybody understood that they ment A. Hitler and B. Mussolini (who is not a Hitler at all) - the dictators of germany and Italy and their nearest ilk*, rather than a bunch of guys serving in US navy or minding their business elsewhere.

I would hardly recommend a columnist to the attention of the esteemed audience of this board who would be an idiot or raving maniac.

The article is written in a limited space as an indignant outburst about our society - muslims are just a tangenial issue there, believe it or not. Putting a bunch of small "lawyer" font on the bottom to the effect that it does not call for extermination, etc. would have ruined the angry and indignant effect.

Check his other articles about America. Also the ones on police. That guy is smart, experienced and quite balanced.

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* Do I need to explain whom I ment by "ilk"? No innocent children for sure.

miko

Sandman · « **Reply #51 on:** September 13, 2002, 05:19:24 PM »

Maybe Mr. Reed is on to something. Aren't all catholics on the hunt for little boys?

midnight Target · « **Reply #52 on:** September 13, 2002, 05:43:53 PM »

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #53 on:** September 13, 2002, 06:37:10 PM »

But dont go investigating such cases at Catholic churches... That would be insensitive. I suggest we only look at Mosques, Jewish Temples and Baptist churches.

Kanth · « **Reply #54 on:** September 14, 2002, 11:10:10 AM »

First you explain why you purposefully lumped him into a group where he didn't belong "Bigot didn't seem to have sufficient impact"

Then you go ahead to say that you were actually simply mistaken and *he's* the one who purposefully lumped people into a group because he's a bad bad bad man.

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it has nothing to do with mistakes, and everything to do with being a fatuous, idiotic, imbecilic, driveling, babbling, vacant, sottish, bewildered fool

What's yer excuse?

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Originally posted by midnight Target

Semantically speaking you are correct. Calling him a generalist or a religious bigot just didn't seem to have sufficient impact. My apologies to Daniel Webster.

I was mistaken, he wasn't. Reed purposely lumped muslims into a single group. He wrote a bigoted article and it has nothing to do with mistakes, and everything to do with being a fatuous, idiotic, imbecilic, driveling, babbling, vacant, sottish, bewildered fool.