Author Topic: Suggestion--Ta-152 (Read 340 times)

J_A_B · « **on:** September 12, 2002, 08:53:51 PM »

Unperk the Ta-152 for 1 month--Tour 33. Let it be known through weekly or so MOTD's that it is stirctly for 1 month so as to upset as few people as possible.

Why?

The Ta is IMO the most "questionable" of the perk planes we have right now. It might well be perk materical....but then again, maybe it isn't. Why can say? It's never been a freely available plane like the C-hog was, and nor does it have any obvious performance advantages like the Spit 14, TEMP and (arguably) F4U-4. And if it IS perk material, is the cost justified?

It's fast, has decent handling, dives well, long range, and incredibly powerful armament with a decent ammo load (especially for that 30mm!). It certainly has the best performance at extreme altitudes, which is IMO the best argument for perking this airplane. The question is whether that alone is cause enough to restrict this airplane. It isn't the fastest, doesn't climb particularly well at normal arena altitudes, and the guns are tough to hit with. If that wasn't bad enough, it seems to take finesse to not break the wings off.

I say unperk it for a tour and see what happens.

Reply with your opinions please!

J_A_B

palef · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:06:12 PM »

I agree.

palef

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:15:48 PM »

i dont think it needs to be unperked.

It was rare in ww2 it should be rare in the main.

A few lw guys I respect think it deserves to be unperked but I dis-agree.

last I checked my squaddie moot was 73 and 1 in the 152 this tour.

I dont fly perk planes much but I am 6 and 0 in it.

Its a cheap perk, lets keep it that way.

Although theres some debate as to its climb and top speed.

Glasses · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:41:29 PM »

Better yet keep it perked but fix it to match it's RL numbers. That's what i'd like to see and some others I mentioned in another thread would like this to happen aswell. Why I want to see it remained perked? The plane was rare extremely rare in WW2 and during the later war secondly the in game performance has been proven falls short of its numbers in by which should be taken a look at. The aircraft historically had an amazing climb rate at sea lvl according to the numbers 4.5k fpm at SL it doesn't reach that even with 50% of fuel and the wing tanks completely unloaded. The Hi alt speed and acceleration at lower altitudes the SL altitude perfromance is on the numbers but it's acceleration compared to it's RL is off it doesn't even quite reach the acceleration the D9 has and that apparently the Ta152 should have that and a little bit more up to 350mph below it's ussual altitudes we all know the Ta reaches about 335mph at Sl which is correct.

That's the main thing the ta152 I wish for it to remained perked because I'm hopeful it'd be fixed,though now a co alt P51D (at 30k,for example) can out run this "super plane" which is suppposed to be the LW's fastest prop driven aircraft, however in AH it falls short of what's expected to do historically and from the data that has been presented across this boards for a time now.

So I implore Pyro to take a look at the numbers posted in the Vehicles forum and decide whether or not the aircraft needs fixing,I'd think all the answers points towards a favorable outcome for it to be fixed but that's up to HTC. If the official response is for it to not be fixed that it'd be a nice candidate for it being unperked because as of right now the supposed hi alt performance Jab says it has, is almost non existant in AH.

Nefarious · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:45:27 PM »

I agree for it to stay perked for one main reason-

It was rare.

Any other reason is questionable in my oppinion.

Glasses · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:58:17 PM »

Why is it questionable??? we have test numbers from both sides the LW and RAF tests contradicting its performance in AH, people like Frenchy and Karnak have said that looking at the evidence they would think the aircraft falls short of numbers to it's RL counterpart. The reason it was perked it was because it would unbalance the arena meaning for its performance traits every single person would flock to it and use it and the only plane you would see would have been a Ta152. In this case the aircraft doesn't match the numbers both sides have had put up. and in the Case of Eric Brown he was flying an H-0 not only that but he knew of the Gm1 and MW50 and has been concluded the reason they didn't use those systems was one the H-0(which is not modeled in AH) couldn't handle those systems and secondly there wasn't a reason as to why they should be tested they had just won the war and there wasn't anything else to prove. The ta152H-1 Used Gm1 and MW50 and had much better performance than the H-0 its climb rate acceleration and hi altitude speed where better improved over the H-0.

HT has said that prduction numbers don't have anything to do with the aircraft being perked or not but making it an aircraft that would get the most kills or would dominate use over in the MA . The Ta152 with its current incorrect numbers ,I still don't get why it's questionable, doesn't warrant for it to being a perked aircraft.

This is not something I have pulled out of my hat this is something that has been posted and posted and posted,from the RLM which doesn't have any bias towards the aircraft of reporting or falsifying the data. Over in the vehicles forum, the aircraft in its proper incarnation would only be challenged in performance by the other perked aircraft. As of right now it's easy prey,why? because it falls short of what it really supposed to be.

moot · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:02:02 PM »

The question before its perk-worthiness is whether it's considered in final form or not (at least its paint or "H-1" name). If it's never going to be readjusted, then maybe is the question of unperking it.

I'm guessing unperking it will give many the interest to try it out, and they will see it is nonetheless superior to the D9; even if it breaks many wings in the process, which will make it be more used than HTC likes, and it will go back to being perked at 20pts.

ra · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:03:43 PM »

<<>>

I've been saying this about ALL planes for months.

ra

wulfie · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:28:39 PM »

Nah, leave it perked. I've flown mainly LW aircraft since WB beta until now in AH. It's a rare aircraft, and very powerful in its 'element' (high altitude).

The perk system is the whole reason aircraft like the Ta 152 are actually modeled - because there's a way to control the frequency of their appearance based on real life rarity issues.

Besides - it's pretty cheap as a perk. A few decent Bf 109F-4 or Bf 109G-2 sorties and you'll have a Ta 152.

Just my opinion.

Mike/wulfie

palef · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2002, 11:07:34 PM »

The key to the original post is to unperk it for one tour.

The first night of that tour would see everyone flying it.

Then when one was shot down by an F4F at low alt after a level flight chase they would quickly vanish.

Or if alternatively, and I think this is highly unlikely, re-perk them at the end of the tour if they turn out to be the "uber" killers that some seem to be hinting that they are.

The D9 has 95% of the capability of the 152 overall (and is probably better in the low to med. alt MA setting) plus a Jabo capability, and you don't see THAT many of them. At least I don't.

Example from last tour (yes I know - I suck)

palef has 6 kills and has been killed 9 times against the Fw 190D-9.

vs.

palef has 17 kills and has been killed 11 times against the N1K2.

palef

faminz · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2002, 11:52:07 PM »

There are some comments referencing the rarity of the Ta-152. So I looked it up:

History: First flight (Ta 152) Autumn 1944, prototype crashed 8 October 1944, (Ta 152H-0) 20 pre-production aircraft October 1944, (Ta 152H-1) the only production model, started to enter service in Novemeber 1944.

with that sort of rare plane modelled I want the Pfeil!!!!

Glasses · « **Reply #11 on:** September 13, 2002, 12:12:51 AM »

All I say about the Ta152 in AH is the following:Unpork the perk, or unperk the pork.

The thing with the relative deficit of use in AH again is because its performance is lacking once the Ta152 is fixed you'll see the reason for it to remain perked I want it to reamain perked but for the love of the plane gods fix the things that have been mentioned and proven that are incorrect in AH about the Ta152H-1.

wulfie · « **Reply #12 on:** September 13, 2002, 02:28:35 AM »

You know, I read right past that statement about '1 month'.

Unperk everything for a week might be interesting as well. Just to see what happens. I know many who will still fly the same aircraft they always fly. I would be very interested to see the MA like that for one week.

Mike/wulfie

Glasses · « **Reply #13 on:** September 13, 2002, 09:14:01 AM »

If they unperk everything you will see this order most likely:

1.Me262(mostly every day)
2.Tempest(a little bit less but still more pronounced)
3.SpitXIV(this is a tough one between temp and SpitXIV)
4.F4u1c(Hizookas)
5.f4u4(good performance at alt but no cannons)
6.Ta152 H-1(if ever will probably be used)

Again I do not want to see it unperked but I do want to see it fixed it's much better to have a properly modeled perk plane(which the Ta152H-1 as of right now is not) than an un-perked incorrect model(which the Ta152H-1 would become).

Again Pyro look at it and please,please take a look at it and let us know.

Regards,
El Glassoid

Sikboy · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2002, 10:45:33 AM »

I wonder where wilbus stands on this issue?

-Sikboy