Author Topic: Ta 152 charts, test and comparison tests. (Read 1122 times)

Wilbus · « **on:** September 15, 2002, 03:20:32 PM »

All pictures messed up, posting link instead.

Ok, some more info about it, some tests that were made during the war in germany.

First out a speedchart with the Ta152 (short winged version, not H but good to show engine performance) using 3 different engines.

The one using the Jumo 213 E is the one interesting for us. It's a Ta152 H-0, lacks the MW50 and (not sure about this on this particulair airplane) the GM1. Somebody better at german might wanna translate that.

http://www.geocities.com/rasmusm2000/Speedchart.jpg

Second out is a chart with some of the different Ta152's.

http://www.geocities.com/rasmusm2000/Finalproductionspeed.jpg

Wilbus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2002, 03:22:25 PM »

http://www.geocities.com/rasmusm2000/Comparioson.jpg

Last out, and maybe the most interesting as it shows the same thing as the other two charts but adds the climb speed at the deck.

The Ta152 being used is a Ta152 H-0, it doesn't have MW50 nor GM1 injection making it a bit lighter then the H-1 but takes away a couple of hundred horse powers.

This chart is a comparion between the Spitfire Mk XIV, P51 D and Ta152 H-0.

As you can see both the P51 and Spitfire XIV are pretty much spot on, both acording to other data available and AH.

Spitfire Mk XIV speed at the deck as shown on this German test, is 574 km/h, that is 358 Mph. That is right on the chart on HTC's webpage.
The P51 D is shown as 600 Km/h at the deck, that makes 375 mph, AH's does 370 mph. (Unpork the P51 D!

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Still, that's pretty close.
P51 D shows as 18 m/s climb rate at the deck, our P51 D does 17.17 m/s. This could be that the P51 D in the test is a non bubble canopy P51 (one of the earlier D modells).

Spitfire in AH climbs better then the 23 m/s, AH does about 24,7 m/s.

Karnak, can you confirm this? I am having trouble finding the climb speed for our Spit XIV in the Spitfire bible.

Ok, enough of the ranting, you can see for your selves.

Conclusion
The Ta152 modelled in AH, is infact the Ta152 H-0, lacking the so important MW50 and GM1 injections that the H-1 had.
However, it has been modelled with the Weight of the H-1, inlcuding the wing fuel tanks which is atleast one of the reason that it climbs like a rock and accelerates really bad. Think about it, add 1000 lbs to a plane without giving it some kind of extra power boosting of bigger engine, both the climb rate and acceleration will suffer.

All speeds of the charts I've shown have about the same speed as the one in AH, all the charts I've shown show the H-0, some the H-1 aswell.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2002, 04:08:42 PM »

Didnt Kurt Tank invent the Tank?

Montezuma · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2002, 06:31:33 PM »

Every time you post a new thread about the Ta-152, HTC moves the date that they will look into it back another six months. Expect HTC to examine the Ta-152 model sometime in the mid-23nd century.

Imp · « **Reply #4 on:** September 15, 2002, 06:42:18 PM »

Thats uncalled for Montezuma!!!!!!!

HTC usually responds well to their customers IMO.
Insulting them wont help the Ta152's case so please dont do it.

I hope HTC fixes the Ta152.

Glasses · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2002, 12:50:10 AM »

For Pyro

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2002, 12:54:53 AM »

YEAH PUNT LOL

AKcurly · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2002, 01:33:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus

Conclusion
The Ta152 modelled in AH, is infact the Ta152 H-0, lacking the so important MW50 and GM1 injections that the H-1 had.
However, it has been modelled with the Weight of the H-1, inlcuding the wing fuel tanks which is atleast one of the reason that it climbs like a rock and accelerates really bad. Think about it, add 1000 lbs to a plane without giving it some kind of extra power boosting of bigger engine, both the climb rate and acceleration will suffer.

All speeds of the charts I've shown have about the same speed as the one in AH, all the charts I've shown show the H-0, some the H-1 aswell.

1000 pounds!!! Holy smoke! Anyone remember what 800 pounds did to the F4U-1C? Remember when Pyro discovered the chog was too light?

I want the Ta-152 right - at least as right as possible without porking anything. Maybe if you removed the 1000 poounds or added the injection systems (and left the weight in) we would get an accurate picture of its performance.

Thanks, Wilbuz.

Please Pyro?

curly

devious · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2002, 03:26:23 AM »

-ammo- · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2002, 09:07:24 AM »

I think the thing is already uber.

Turbot · « **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2002, 09:14:53 AM »

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Originally posted by -ammo-
I think the thing is already uber.

Isn't it supposed to be?

Wilbus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 16, 2002, 09:34:21 AM »

Not Uber in any way ammo, not fast enough to outrun most planes, all l planes keep up with it in the acceleration. Sure in the long run it outruns P47's and F4u's and slower but that's about it. Climb speed is almost 1k per minute under.

Can't outturn anything. It's undermodelled, very undermodelled.

Glasses · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2002, 10:52:39 AM »

up again.

Wilbus · « **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2002, 10:54:03 AM »

-ammo- · « **Reply #14 on:** September 16, 2002, 12:08:55 PM »

If its undermodeled, then it certainly be on the list to get fixed.

Yes turbot:) It is supposed to be.

I was fighting glasses the other night, we were at around 22K, well I was. He was around 26K making diving attacks at my d25. I would slip out of his guns and and convert to his 6. There was no catching that thing. It just rocketed away. All I am saying is that the P-47 is no slouch at that altitude, and that TA152 made me look like hurricane:)