Author Topic: Ta 152 charts, test and comparison tests. (Read 1157 times)

Wilbus · « **Reply #30 on:** September 17, 2002, 04:56:37 AM »

Will outturn the Dora as it is now.

Add the MW50 and GM1 injections or remove the extra 1200 lbs the H-1 had and it will turn very well.

Glasses · « **Reply #31 on:** September 17, 2002, 04:49:59 PM »

what are you doing down here?

Up!!!

Wilbus · « **Reply #32 on:** September 17, 2002, 06:27:46 PM »

Urchin · « **Reply #33 on:** September 17, 2002, 07:06:44 PM »

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Originally posted by AKcurly

No, Sling. You're drunk again. Check with Urchin - I think he has your underwear.

curly

Oh GROSS... I thougt that was my tanktop. I was wondering why it had that brown streak running down the back....

Glasses · « **Reply #34 on:** September 19, 2002, 01:31:12 AM »

thrila · « **Reply #35 on:** September 19, 2002, 09:01:21 AM »

punt for the Luftwhin.....errr.....luftwee nies.

Glasses · « **Reply #36 on:** September 19, 2002, 09:57:10 AM »

Wilbus · « **Reply #37 on:** September 19, 2002, 10:16:28 AM »

Turbot · « **Reply #38 on:** September 19, 2002, 10:39:28 AM »

"When Kurt Tank was attacked in a Ta 152H prototype over Rechlin by P51D he escaped by accerlating - the P51 couldn´t follow. The Ta 152 was produced in 26 prototypes and 67 pre-series aircraft - one of the prototypes already tested the new Mg213 revolver-cannons, which were the base for todays ADEN and DEFA-cannons.. The I/JG 301 should be equipped with the new fighter, but never got enough planes. So the Ta152 were sent to group staff and used as fighter cover. They proofed to be excellent fighters, but still had "child´s decieses". The most popular Ta152H ace - Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke - scored several kills flying the Ta152H. Among them there was a Tempest, which he downed by stallfighting in low altitude near Berlin. He was able to outturn the Tempest and the allied pilot tried to circle too hard leading into a stall and into crash.

Sources

"Fighters of World War 2" Orbis Publishing Ltd 1998
german reprint by Weltbild and Bechtermünz Verlag 1998

"The big aerial battles of WW2 - planes, victories, defeats" by Aerospace Publishing Ltd.
german reprint by Neuer Kaiser Verlag GmbH Klagenfurt "

cut & pasted by me from http://www.fortunecity.de/kunterbunt/ostsee/122/190_4.htm

adding another one:

"Near the end of 1944, Kurt Tank himself had a narrow escape while flying one of his Ta 152Hs. He was flying from Langenhagen near Hannover to attend a meeting at the Focke-Wulf plant in Cottbus. His plane carried armament, but no ammunition. Shortly after takeoff, he was jumped by four Mustangs. Tank pressed the button which activated his MW 50 boost, opened the throttle wide, and quickly left the Mustangs far behind in a cloud of blue smoke.

Sources:
Warplanes of the Third Reich, William Green, Doubleday, 1971.
Famous Fighters of the Second World War, William Green, Doubleday 1967.
The Focke-Wulf 190--A Famous German Fighter, Heinz Nowarra, Harleyford, 1965.
"

Cut/pasted from http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ta152.html

Turbot · « **Reply #39 on:** September 19, 2002, 10:48:57 AM »

If perking planes is to limit numbers in arena - current perk for Ta-152 is about right as it seems about as many 152's die in a tour as were built in WW2. But clearly the Ace High 152 isn't turning in stories like you see above.

Fariz · « **Reply #40 on:** September 19, 2002, 11:17:31 AM »

editted then

Wilbus · « **Reply #41 on:** September 19, 2002, 11:20:38 AM »

Turbot, I'll give you Kurt Tank's exact words about the story where he was attacked by the P51's later, will post it in this forum.

To add a thing, nothing to do with this story though. Ta152's was, despite what has been said, never used to cover 262's during take off and landing nor did they cover any other planes during take off and landing.

And no, Ta152 in AH come nowhere near any of those combat reports.

Fariz, that was totally uncalled for.

Sachs · « **Reply #42 on:** September 19, 2002, 12:31:34 PM »

Nope 152's were never used to cover the jets. The D series was used to cover them. I ave read books on JV44 Platzschutzstaffel and the D-9's they had pus one nice lil D-11 were souped up and would make the la-7 cringe in fear if those doras were added. I thin it was Fabers D-9 that comes to mind he had to pick it up from a barn or something, but the guy that had it in his possesion stated it was a special bird.

Also accounts of stories of the other pilots who would scream in on the deck with lil fear in their new birds. They never flew above 1500 feet and that just shows you that it wasn't the average D-9 either

Pyro · « **Reply #43 on:** September 19, 2002, 03:38:29 PM »

The Ta 152 in Aces High is with MW-50. You can see it in the AH performance charts with the large difference between military and emergency settings. The Jumo 213E produced a lot of power with the MW-50, but it wasn't especially powerful at its military rating. There's an engine chart in the book you're pulling your other charts from. The comparison chart you scanned is just an unreferenced table in the book, so the numbers don't necessarily fit together. In fact, just looking at it now, I can see problems with it. Look at the weight and power. The way the chart reads, you'd think a 12000+ lb P-51(max internal fuel + 2 1000lb bombs) would be able to climb at 3500+ fpm while only using military power(no wep). As you can see, numbers can't automatically be related together. An author can put together a table of specs and individually, they may all be correct enough, but that doesn't mean they're all in the same context.

moot · « **Reply #44 on:** September 19, 2002, 04:45:49 PM »

Hi Pyro

No mention of GM1, this green 9 model didn't have it?