Author Topic: I hope the Allied fliers who whined the N1K2 away are having fun now. (Read 1927 times)

Dink72 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 16, 2002, 11:48:42 PM »

Karnak,
I am Slash's wingman and longtime friend. I did not see where he stated o remove anything except allied planes and stated the need for more Jap planes and I know he supports historical events. I think you must have misunderstood the post and I think what he was saying was that if Axis has a nonhistorical plane so should the Allies. He even suggests removing the plane that he likes to fly. I have never seen him "run to Mommy" and is always appreciative of the Ct staff, even in the post in question.

Maybe your post, with exception to the first line, was not intended for Slash only. If that is the case disregard the above.

BUT, as for the first line, I don't know where you get off, I'm willing to bet that if you were standing in front of the man you would not throw out insults like that. I realize that for some people it is easy to talk tough on here because they can get away with it, but it is Cowardly comments like these that make the MA so irritating.
I believe that the main subject of the post from Slash was how we should stop all the whiney name calling which you obviously are in favor of.

brady · « **Reply #31 on:** September 16, 2002, 11:55:02 PM »

I personaly feal that base capture is a vital game play componet, and generaly speaking attendance will suffer if it is not an aspect of game play, the base capture is what brings us to gether and provides an imputious for battle. Their are of course exceptions ans I sincerly hope Wotans set up succeds.

HFMudd · « **Reply #32 on:** September 17, 2002, 12:50:08 AM »

It would sure be nice if the conditions for base capture could be set. The obvious condition would be the number of troops needed in the map room to capture it. If we could tweak that and make it require a few more LVTs or C47s the flavor of base capture would change quite a bit.

I'm sure other true/false conditions could be added that make it different but it is getting too close to bedtime to figure them out.

But of course, I state the obvious...

BTW: Tonight in the CT was fantastic, Ki-61's and Zeros vs. F4U-1's and F6F's with the occasional FM2. Not a P51 or P47 in sight. I though the fights were evenly matched and quite engrossing and number stayed about even. The Zeke in those conditions almost make me want to trade in my leather undies. ~~to all!~~

Karnak · « **Reply #33 on:** September 17, 2002, 01:04:22 AM »

Dink72,

Only the first line was for Slash27.

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Originally posted by Slash27
But am i to understand that we should not have the P-51,P-47,F4U,F6F, and the FM-2? But keep the N1K, but make it available at all bases so as the unbalanceing P-40E does not run rampant?

How is this supposed to be taken. It insinuates in the least subtle fashion that those of us complaining in this thread want the P-51, F4U, F6F and FM2 removed and the N1K2 added back in at the same time. What other meaning can this sarcastic phrase mean: "but make it available at all bases so as the unbalanceing P-40E does not run rampant?"

Slash27,

You blantantly and knowingly distorted our position and then you and your friend whine about you being called on it?

Don't make me laugh. You're the one who started throwing insults, don't play coy and innocent now.

Karnak · « **Reply #34 on:** September 17, 2002, 01:06:06 AM »

HFMudd,

I was on for about an hour, to an hour an a half. I saw one P-47, and all the rest were P-51s and F4Us. I saw no F4Fs, F6Fs or TBMs. Not one.

Dink72 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 17, 2002, 01:38:04 AM »

Sorry, we're not the ones whining. You obviously can't read.

Karnak · « **Reply #36 on:** September 17, 2002, 02:00:40 AM »

Dink72,

Maybe you're not aware of the massive ammount of whining that got the Japanese fliers to start posting. You know, the whining that removed the N1K2 while leaving the P-51 and P-47 it was balancing still in place.

I never, nor did any other Japanese flier, request the US hot rods to be removed while adding the N1K2 back into the mix. I would have argued against that as being just as silly as removing the N1K2 and leaving the P-51 / P-47.

Frankly, I think the setup could have done quite nicely without any of those three from the get go. But as they were there to balance eachother the N1K2 should not have been removed.

Snidely suggesting that the Japanese fliers wanted the setup massively biased in their favor is nothing but an insult, and that is exactly what your friend did. Maybe he meant to say something else, but if so he spoke very poorly.

ergRTC · « **Reply #37 on:** September 17, 2002, 08:01:44 AM »

I have read enough. Karnak, pull up your ego, and go run to mommy. enough is enough. This is no longer productive in any way shape or form. The whining in here has now surpassed my hurri one thread and is now entering a place that only shane would dare tread.

Slash27 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 17, 2002, 10:21:59 AM »

My first statement in that post was a sacastic and an unfair summary of what I had read. Alot of of which came off as insults and whines. I guess you once again have selectively read what you want, taken things out of context, and continued with your roadkill tirade.

There was nothing "coy" or "distorting" about what I said. You seem to be on top of that aspect. I never once said I supported an unbalanced set up for EITHER side but I have already stated that. I also have not SERIOUSLY implied that the Axis wanted an unfair advantage. I simply responded to what I felt were unfair generanlizatons about the Allies. In turn if what I replied with came off in the same manner towards the Axis flyers, my apologies, that was not my intentions.

Karnak , you have called me on nothing. I was not being subtle, snidley,coy, or playing innocent. Like I have already stated, the first part was sarcasm. I stated my point and said what I meant. I cannot help you dont get it. Maybe I just dont get my point across with my "poorly" written replies.

If some Allied pilots have whined about the N1K I cannot help that. I have not read those posts but judging by your responses from you, I can only guess that maybe you missed they're point like you have missed mine. I have already stated my support and given suggestions about evening out the planset and it looks like Jarbo has handled already.

So get what you want out of this Karnak, maybe the third times the charm. If not, then the hell with you.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 17, 2002, 10:58:51 AM »

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Originally posted by HFMudd
~~to the CT staff. Hang in there guys, what you do is appreciated.~~

~~...What he said...WTG CT. Don't sweat the small stuff (but I still want the Ki-84!)~~

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 17, 2002, 11:14:22 AM »

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Originally posted by oboe

Solomons 1943:
Allies: F4U-1 (land only), P-40E, F4F-4, SBD, TBM, BostonIII (Havoc). Maybe the B-26.

Japanese: Ki-61, A6M2, A6M5 (which DID see service in 1943, and is also an A6M3 stand in), D3A Val, and Ki-67.

Sounds good.

Karnak · « **Reply #41 on:** September 17, 2002, 05:20:10 PM »

Slash27,

The why the heck did you get irritated when I called you intentionally dense? You just stated outright you were being intentionally dense, meaning you were intentionally and massively exagerating and mocking our perspective on it.

If I just said it like it was and had read you perfectly, why the squeaking about how fair and nice you are. You insulted us, I responded. That's all there was to it.

(I don't recall ever commenting on what type of setup you'd have prefered. After your opening comment I ceased reading your post as it was garbage, and thus had no idea what kind of setup you'd have prefered.)

LÃ¶we · « **Reply #42 on:** September 17, 2002, 05:31:43 PM »

Okay this is no means meant to stir the pot, theres been enough of that, and I was responsable for much of it.
The 1943 setup everyone is agreed upon is great, and Bug this isn't a stab at you I know your stance is the F6F is a 1944 bird.
I respect your opinion, and the fact that being in an Allied Naval squadron your willing to give up the Hellcat.
I know the F6F5 certainly belongs to the class of 44, and thats what we have in AH. However F6F3s from the USS Princeton CVL-23 DID attack Rabual in November 1943, along with F6F's from thje USS Saratoga.
The following is just my opinion nothing more......................... ..........
But there should be at least ONE CV with the F6F, even though ours is the F6F5. Theres a 10mph speed advantage over the F6F3, and some pilot armor improvements, and possibly bomb carrying capacity. Other than that not much difference. If I don't have to dodge Hellcats, believe me it won't hurt my feelings, however it's one of the planes that were there, so why not include it.
Thats it I'm off this thread and this discussion, whatever happens..... happens. No matter what I fly or what I fight against,
I'll end up a flying bonfire sooner or later. So wasting anymore of my time pissing and moaning is pointless. Time to go out and ethier Fly, Fight, and Win, or Fly, Fight, and Die, like a good little Samurai.

oboe · « **Reply #43 on:** September 17, 2002, 08:01:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Löwe
...Time to go out and either Fly, Fight, and Win, or Fly, Fight, and Die...

Behold the essence of the Samurai. You have learned your lessons well, Lowe-san.

Dink72 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 17, 2002, 11:00:24 PM »

Lowe, Well spoken.

Karnak,
You just stated you did not read the post as a whole, so who here was "INTENTIONALLY DENSE". I believe that you said it all with that one. I have had enough of this crap.