F4u-4

[Turbot]

Why not more fly it?  It is an incredible plane, and unlike other perkies has lots of armor.  I 've had La7 p51 and at same time some diving wanna be fool in f4f on my butt on deck (ping ping ping ping) but made it home to land kills no damage.

I had always thought f4U4 to be a dog never really tried it.

Only just trying it out but this not bad:  (for me especially)

turbot has 13 kills and has been killed 3 times in the F4U-4 against all countries.

[Karnak]

Because like the Ta152H-1 and Spitfire Mk XIV it compares unfavorably to certain free fighters when the penalty of perks and perk tags are added.  None of those aircraft see much usage because they are not easy to escape with.  The Tempest and Me262 can out run anything.

[Turbot]

Then how do you explain it working for me? I'll take that K/D ratio any day!  Perk tag be damned I know everyone wants to kill me no matter what I fly (or at least I plan my flights that way )

PS (preemptive edit to add mossie stats)   I know someone gonna say, whaa but that is in f4u4

turbot has 23 kills and has been killed 5 times in the Mosquito Mk VI against all countries.   (well how do you think I afford F4u-4?  Surely not by flying la7  La7 dweeb would have to fly 5 years to afford even one  )

And not a single one of those is a GV (i think).

Sometimes I think we miss out by just accepting conventional wisdom.   Try all the planes and see what works for you I say.  

[Innominate]

Two reasons,

First off, it's gangbang tags.  Any plane that can point it's nose at you will target you, this means you need to be above everyone to have a chance to survive.  I know that you'll get gangbanged at some point no matter what you fly, but for the vast majority of players, target selection goes like this:

Look through planes I can point my guns at.  If I spot a perk plane, latch onto it.  If there are no perk planes, look for the easiest kill.

Only safe place for an f4u4 is above every other fighters zoom range.


Second, The f4u4 is a great plane, especally above 20000feet, the problem is, at that altitude, you're going to spend more time looking for someone to shoot at than anything else.  Between 10k and 20k, the f4u4's performance is very similar to the p51d but it's quite good enough. The problem is that you'll never have just one bogey on you(See above).  Under 10k, where virtually alll fighting happens, the la7 dominates the f4u4 in just about every way.  The f4u4 has two possible ways to combat the la7.  First, the f4u4 can get above 450mph where the la7 controls become sluggish, which will usually only provide an escape.  Second, the f4u4 can drop it's flaps all the way, and beat the la7 in a stall-speed turning fight, however because of the gangbang tags, doing this is suicide.


Basicly two points:
f4u4 has perk performance, but not good enough performance to survive alongside the p51(Which it is very similar to) because of it's gangbang tags.

The la7 is a free perk plane, it dominates the area under 10,000feet where 90% of the fighting happens.  It has great accelleration, no free fighter can run it down without a signficant alt advantage, and it's able to out-turn most of the higher speed fighters, except at stall speed(Which it has enough power to avoid completly)

[beet1e]

Turbot - I believe the F4U-4 has twin superchargers, but they really make a difference at 23,000 ft and upwards. I use the F4U for jabo, and for that, the -4 probably not even as good as the 1c. The three reasons I don't fly the F4U-4 are these:

• What's the point of a jabo fighter which is at its best above 23,000 ft?
• It's very fast, but does not handle its own speed very well.
• It costs too many PP. Even though its cost was reduced from 60pp to 55pp, it's still way overpriced.

[AKcurly]

Originally posted by Innominate

f4u4 has perk performance, but not good enough performance to survive alongside the p51(Which it is very similar to) because of it's gangbang tags.

The la7 is a free perk plane, it dominates the area under 10,000feet where 90% of the fighting happens.  It has great accelleration, no free fighter can run it down without a signficant alt advantage, and it's able to out-turn most of the higher speed fighters, except at stall speed(Which it has enough power to avoid completly)

Maybe we've been flying different F4U-4s  The F4U-4 is far superior to the La7 and P51.  It turns really well (better than the la7 and p51) and out accelerates both.  It's faster than both planes at main arena altitudes - in short, you can easily beat both planes flying their game: They can't run away from you and they can't outturn you.

At least this has been my experience.

curly

[Wotan]

6 guys in my squad are 174 and 10 in the Ta152 (16 to 1 k/d)

I bet if we flew f4u-4s we would do even better then that.

We dont fly umm in packs or at 50k or away in some corner. I am no more "gangbanged" in a 152 then I am in a 190d9.

The f4u-4 is a good plane and can hold its own against any plane in the set. I only ever flew the spit 14 once in the ct. It was a spitfire and I hated and didnt get any kills are rtb'd switched sides upped a 152 and shot down 2 spit 14s and a temp.

I hate to say it again but the gangbang tag arguement  is laughable. But if this same bogus arguement keeps get thrown out then I have to offer a counter. The way I see it people always try to kill me in whatever plane I fly. And from what I gather from my squaddies (who fly planes with perk tags more then anyone in this thread) its the same no matter what the icon.

Perk planes arent perked on performance alone, nor is a plane's perk value an indication of how good you think a plane should be.

If you arent gangbanged in any plane in ah, you aint doing something right.

[Innominate]

Originally posted by AKcurly


Maybe we've been flying different F4U-4s  The F4U-4 is far superior to the La7 and P51.  It turns really well (better than the la7 and p51) and out accelerates both.  It's faster than both planes at main arena altitudes - in short, you can easily beat both planes flying their game: They can't run away from you and they can't outturn you.

At least this has been my experience.

curly

Directly on the deck, the f4u4 does behave much like an la7, though it's accelleration is slow.  Where you get the f4u4 having good accelleration(except in a dive) I'm not sure, maybe you have the f4u4 and la7  mixed up.

The la7 outruns the f4u4 all the way up to about 10000 feet.  From about 3000 to 14000 feet, the p51d is faster.  Between 1500feet, and about 15000 feet, the f4u4's speed is unremarkable.

At low altitude without getting into flaps-down fighting(Which is suicide with gangbang tags), the f4u4 can turn inside the p51, but not the la7.


To wotan:
Dispute this:

Target selection process for most MA pilots:
Look through planes I can point my guns at.  If I spot a perk plane I can get near, latch onto it.  If there are no perk planes, look for the easiest kill.

Is this wrong?

If the gangbang tags aren't an issue, then removing them on the f4u4, spit14, and 152 shouldn't be a problem.


*addition*
I did a few tests between the la7 and f4u4 on the deck, and was a bit surprised.  Note that, a thousand feet higher, and the f4u4 starts to fall behind severely.

Accelleration with wep at 100feet, in seconds

            La7     F4U-4
200-250     11.9     13.33
250-300     17.6     19.81
300-350     36.1     40.35

The F4U-4 maxed out at 377mph, after 3:17(From hitting the 200mph mark)
The la7 maxes out at only 379mph, after 3:14, it hit 377 however, in only 2:31.

So an f4u4 diving to the deck in a run for home is in a pretty decent position.    At lower speeds, it doesnt fall too far behind the la7 in acceleration, but is still outclassed on the deck.  However since the f4u4 in this position is more or less pinned to the deck, it is vulnerable to attacks from above.

And finally, The f4u4 is a perk plane, it should remain perked.  It's performance justifies it's price, however it doesnt justify the handicap of the gangbang tags.  These tags make the 262, the tempest, and the f4u-1c the only perk planes really worth using.

[Karnak]

Players who are more or less average, such as myself, who make up the bulk of the subscriber base lack the skills to be as effective as Turbot or Wotan's squadmates.  Comparing us to them is silly and says nothing, unless you're take on it is that perk planes should be for the elite few to enjoy, and the rest of us to struggle with.

But it is the lack of the ability to survive in the F4U-4 and Spit XIV that make us average types not use them much.  The Ta152 is just porked.

Originally posted by beet1e:
What's the point of a jabo fighter which is at its best above 23,000 ft?

To attack Nepal?

[Wilbus]

Because like the Ta152H-1 and Spitfire Mk XIV it compares unfavorably to certain free fighters when the penalty of perks and perk tags are added. None of those aircraft see much usage because they are not easy to escape with. The Tempest and Me262 can out run anything.

The F4u4 is about 5mph faster at the deck then an LA7, both using WEP, without both using WEP the LA7 is a bit faster.

All perks planes are targeted, have lots of films to show that, 5 people getting rid of 20k just to chase a low and slow Ta152 (which have been me most of the time). The F4u4 is far better, it should be perked but not for 55 unless the LA7 is perked. Don't give me no crap about LA7 being bad above 10k, no fights hardly ever happen above 10k anyway, if it does, and you're in an LA7, you can just dive and outaccelerate everything.

[Masherbrum]

Of the three I have come across, I've shot them all down.  I prefer the C-Hog.

K2

[Zippatuh]

The F4U-4 is a very capable aircraft.  So much so that I use it for the most part in a JABO roll.  I like having the extra power getting to the target.  I hate having the perk sign above me but after a mistake I made with the Spit 14 and 9 I found something out.  My k/d in a low alt furball in a perky wasn’t any worse than what it was in my regular rides.

I still find that.  Either my k/d is better in the perky, and I use it low and in the dirt, or at least equal to other aircraft.

I wont argue that people will drop everything to come your direction but that can be used to a good advantage.  I’m starting to believe the perception is wrong.  Are you more or less self conscious when you step into a perky?  If it’s more, who’s fault is that?  After all it’s just another aircraft right?

[lazs2]

inominate is correct... for the arena... You are better off in a lag7 than a -4 99% of the time.   The arena has become a very cautious place with all the fast late model planes and the long distances between fields.  

Hate to admit it but the lag or p51 is about the only solution to arena play in most cases these days.
lazs

[Turbot]

Originally posted by Karnak
Players who are more or less average, such as myself, who make up the bulk of the subscriber base lack the skills to be as effective as Turbot or Wotan's squadmates.  Comparing us to them is silly and says nothing, unless you're take on it is that perk planes should be for the elite few to enjoy, and the rest of us to struggle with.

Players don't get any more average than me, if I am living in it anyone can

[Purzel]

Originally posted by Karnak
To attack Nepal?

ROFL