Legitimate Maneuver or butterin Dweeb??

[AvidMC]

I never do this but I have finally hit the whine threshold so here goes.

Last night I am flying down at A30 and I spot a low Mossie heading into the base. I roll over and dive on him. As I get to around eight hundred yards the floppy fish crap starts. I chop the throttle and kick in a bit of rudder to bleed some speed E. I am now closing slower and waiting for him to slide into my sights. This is when the little warps start from side to side. I say the hell with it and pull back vertical to save whatever E I have left. So, my question is, do you see this as a Legitimate Maneuver or would you label this tard as the lowest of the citizens in Dweebsville. I think the latter of the two is appropriate. I only wish I had filmed the event so that I could expose who this dweeb is. If you have to resort to gaming the game crap to survive, It's a sure sign you need some serious help. Go hang out in the TA till you learn some legit ACM.  

Avid

[Shane]

well last nite i came across a 10k jug that was alos kind fo flopping aorund, after shooting it down adn seeing 786151 as the handle i figured it was a newbie who still needed to tweak his joystick.

so.....  it's not always deliberate - shoot 'em down and see what their handle is before you bark at 'em.  or film...

[AvidMC]

But Shane, I didn't bark at him because I didn't know who it was. But I can tell you that after I pulled vertical it was amazing how fast the floppy fish crap stopped as I was watching out the back of the cockpit. Now maybe it was just a coincidence, and maybe it was some poor noob that didn't know what he was doing, and maybe all the planets lined up the moment I went vertical and the Gods of noobdom laid there hands upon this fellows plane an stopped the uncontrolled spinning and warping.... Or more likely it was just another game the game butterin dweeb!!! That seams like the more likely answer since, after all, the planets don't even have to line up to make it so.

Avid

[Wilbus]

To flip flop or deliberatly cause warps in any kind of way is dweebish, ugly, bad and just plain ***** up. It's taking advantages of the flaws of the game and internet connections and by doing so one only shows his own lack of skill.

It is cheating IMO.

[Turbot]

Originally posted by Wilbus
To flip flop or deliberatly cause warps in any kind of way is dweebish, ugly, bad and just plain ***** up. It's taking advantages of the flaws of the game and internet connections and by doing so one only shows his own lack of skill.

It is cheating IMO.

I am not at all convinced this is even possible (to do deliberately).  

I think more likely sometimes the connection problems don't show up really well until you are very close - so it MAY appear that it is being controlled.

[gofaster]

If he's wibbling and wobbling then he's not able to strafe your field or bomb your hangars.  He's also bleeding E at a horrible rate.  All you have to do is wait for him to stall and crash, and then you can collect the prox kill while still having a full ammo load.

[T0J0]

I watch alot of pilots in the MA do alot of crap and the floppy fish manuever is alot less annoying than the HO issues.... OR the LA7 mobs ..... You never mentioned what plane you were flying?
 After reading this post I look forward to seeing the Floppy fish manuever....Hell I gonna run right out and try and figure out how to fish fly!!! Sounds kinda fun!! POp a cold one relax....enjoy the game and move on....

T0J0

Originally posted by AvidMC
I never do this but I have finally hit the whine threshold so here goes.

Last night I am flying down at A30 and I spot a low Mossie heading into the base. I roll over and dive on him. As I get to around eight hundred yards the floppy fish crap starts. I chop the throttle and kick in a bit of rudder to bleed some speed E. I am now closing slower and waiting for him to slide into my sights. This is when the little warps start from side to side. I say the hell with it and pull back vertical to save whatever E I have left. So, my question is, do you see this as a Legitimate Maneuver or would you label this tard as the lowest of the citizens in Dweebsville. I think the latter of the two is appropriate. I only wish I had filmed the event so that I could expose who this dweeb is. If you have to resort to gaming the game crap to survive, It's a sure sign you need some serious help. Go hang out in the TA till you learn some legit ACM.  

Avid

[SlapShot]

This manuver is deliberate and DWEEBISH and has nothing to do with connect/lag. I get consistently high frame rates and can easily distinguish between lag and the "floppy fish", and what AvidMC is describing is NOT lag. These guys are "gaming the game" .. no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

The biggest perpetrator's of the "floppy fish/stick Stirrin" manuver I have found are 109s, 190s and occasionally P47s. Once you get on their six and send a few rounds into them, the floppin starts and if you are not in a LA-7 or another fast plane, this "floppin" can continue, without serious degradation in E, until they extend.

This type of flying I would think is beyond what the human body could endure and I could almost bet the ranch that it was never used in RL nor is it taught in any air combat schooling. In RL you might be able to get away with a few wild jinks, but to continue sustained jinking like that ... I don't think so.

I would like to see (somehow) HiTech put some sort of redout/backout type consequence when the flight controls are used wildly to create such manuvers.

[SKurj]

As you get closer to the con, you receive more positional updates from him.  I do not know at what range update frequency hits the max, but at range he may easily have appeared smoother....

And any yank and bank would have increased the effect up close if he had a poor connect.  (or maybe it was your end at that time.....  just cause netstat shows flat doesn't mean your conn is fine, we've all learned that lesson by now I think)

I highly doubt many if any players are tampering with their connection on purpose.

I am not saying its right or wrong +) just suggesting some causes..


SKurj

[Arfann]

All you dorky dweebs listen up!  When these heros dive on you with lots of e just hold it straight and level so they can shoot ya. Whatever you do, don't evade or turn in to them (Lessen ya wanna be called a HO dweeb!).  Look. . . I say look at me when I'm a talkin to ya, son. Watcha flying low and slow for in that Mossie anyway?  Probably headin' ta kamikazi someone's favorite hangar.  Ya best start flyin' the way these here experienced aviators want ya to or get outta Dodge! They ARE paying yer $15, right?

[Masherbrum]

I wonder when I was in a G-10, inverted, doing 80, was I flopping like la fish, or making someone work for a kill?  

Arfann,

Foghorn Leghorn rules.  

Karaya2

[AvidMC]

Tojo - I was in a P-47 D25.

Avid

[Wlfgng]

seems like to diametrically opposed types of gamers here.

the 'realism' type that likes the sim aspect

and the game types that want to shoot and be shot at regardless of realism



doubt the two will ever agree.

[MrLars]

Originally posted by Wilbus
To flip flop or deliberatly cause warps in any kind of way is dweebish, ugly, bad and just plain ***** up. It's taking advantages of the flaws of the game and internet connections and by doing so one only shows his own lack of skill.

It is cheating IMO.

Sorry Wilbus...spelling cops here,

Thats *****(*) up..

Watch it bud

[MWHUN]

Okay, I’m new so bare with me...
I have brought up this question a while back about the floppy wobble effect that I was seeing by certain pilots.  I now believe that there are 2 types of floppy moves that are being utilized -but they may be being confused.  Initially before I really started to compare them they looked almost identical.

There is a floppy move that I have encountered where I think it is a combination of a very quick scissor like moves with rudder kicks to produce a wobble/floppy effect-there is however a clear flight path visible while he is wobbling –it still bleeds E and there are several ways to counter it even if you have horrible aim.  Overall they are trying to get you to overshoot or get frustrated with your aim and possibly have to avoid a collision… I’ll just chalk this up to “evasives” and I can live with this move…

Then there is another floppy move that looks very much like the one I described above with one HUGE exception.  The fighter’s flight path does not correspond to the direction of where his nose is pointing.  He is wobbling all over and it is VERY difficult to get a clean shot because there is no way to judge the flight path—best thing to do is hang back on his 6 while he blows so much E that he is a brick falling to earth.  This is the “lame” move that is just some pilot exploiting internet lag.

Originally posted by AvidMC
I never do this but I have finally hit the whine threshold so here goes.

Last night I am flying down at A30 and I spot a low Mossie heading into the base. I roll over and dive on him. As I get to around eight hundred yards the floppy fish crap starts.

Avid

Regardless of which move he was doing I would have shredded that low giant energy less crate…:D

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