P47, P51, P38...the German view......

[Charon]

It's becoming a failry common troll then funked, both in other threads of the past week and some I remember from recent months. I've held my tounge on some of the more recent ones, but basically calling the allies equal war criminals was a bit too much this time (check out the other related thread for more justifications of Nazi Germany).

I have no problem with role players -- I role play for the dark side somewhat frequently, both here and in other WW2 games. But at least I know there was a dark side.

Charon

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

If you'd like to place the blame for the hijacking of your thread where it belongs, I'd suggest you take a look at your Luftwaffe buddies, Glasses, Wotan, and Grunherz. You asked some questions, and I provided some input you asked for.

As it always does when certain individuals from the "AH Luftwaffe" become involved, it was turned into something else. All I did was attempt to provide a little insight into why the P-38 was tougher than you might think.

As it turned out, you finally took exception to the hijacking of your thread, but you placed the blame on the wrong people. Oh, and since I can see that you have no need for my answers to your questions, and no respect for me at all (noted by the fact that you < S > your Luftwaffe buddies and capitalize their names, and refer to me as "capt"), I'll not waste any further time replying to your requests for information. Especially since what you really seek is for your buddies to back you up when you cry that your opponents plane is too tough. You do not want honest and objective information, you want someone to agree with you.
You'll never learn anything if you just ask for everyone to agree with you, and get pissed off and call for help from your Luftwaffe buddies when they don't, but then, you don't want to learn anyway.

[GRUNHERZ]

My first post in this thread:

"The P38 doesnt seem too terribly tough to me and I only now fly my Gustav with the standard armament of a single MG151/20 and twin MG131. However I don't see the P38 too much and I have seen them survive my 30mm fire so there might be cause to look into it. As for the P51 it does seem a bit tough and I wonder why it doesnt get so many radiator hits from 6OC as the FW190D9. P47 seems just a little bit weak - but it's a big target and have an easy time aiming at it and hitting consistently especially in a top profile shot.

The toughest planes in AH are the F6F and F4F, the F4F is very very hard."

100% on topic.


Oh yea Virgil I really started ruining the thread by showing up.


Then you started ranting abou P38 being the best and trying to cut downed LW pilots with their props.  Or do you think my outrage about your romance novel portrayal of a P38 strafing downed airmen was uncalled for and hijacking.

So dont get on your high horse here, you and the Allied BBS Gestapo are as responsible for this thread getting out of hand as anyone including the "LW Mafia".

[Shane]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
My first post in this thread:
"As for the P51 it does seem a bit tough and I wonder why it doesnt get so many radiator hits from ***6OC as the FW190D9. ***
 

ahhhh the good ole anal retentive luftweenie in you just couldn't avoid adding this old luftwhiner chestnut.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yea but it's true. And I certainly learned from the P38 anal retentive allied whiner bunch that I might get the toughness of a plane changed if I cry long and loud enough...

[BUG_EAF322]

Guess what HTC taking wabble whines serious?



noway baby

[Shane]

well, no doubt, but you guys might have better luck if you didn't whine in the original german.

[Shiva]

As an addition to the above story, there was one instance of a Corsair pilot doing the same thing to a Japanese attack plane; the Japanese plane had attempted to climb away from attack, and the Corsair pilot followed. When they reached the attack plane's ceiling, both the Corsair pilot and the Japanese tail gunner discovered that their guns were frozen. The Corsair pilot recounted how he racked his brain trying to think of some way to down the Japanese plane. He finally thought of using the Corsair's propellor, and saw the Japanese gunner pounding on the breech of his gun as he moved in and chewed off the tail of the Japanese plane, which went down out of control. The Corsair pilot brought his plane home with bits of the Japanese plane stuck in his engine and wing leading edge, and with the tips of all the propellor blades missing -- but the plane was still functional.

(I'd give more details, but the book with the account of the action is at home, and I'm at work)

[whgates3]

what a wast - he could have flown under the jap. plane & punched the engines (or shot it w/ his 0.45)

[john9001]

""""Ilfrey made a head-on pass at an Me-109 """"

HO dweeb.....

[GRUNHERZ]

Oedipus:

Just got my Gunther Rall book which details him colliding with a Lavochkin fighter. The La lost a wing and went down to death while Rall landed his plane under full control. The 109 was written off due to damage,  afterwards but survived a collision with a tough russian fighter and remained flyable well enough to land under power. The plane had a huge gash in its side and other damage and the props were badly damaged and bent.

So again whats your point from before?

Or is your Allied Gestapo USA ironworks airplanes mental conditioning not allow you to think that a non USA made plane can survive mid-airs?  Guess what US planes were made of aluminum, steel and fabric just like most others.....

[GRUNHERZ]

Yep youre a big time allied whine gestapo operative....

But seriously if you look hard enough you will find that all sorts of planes survived freak collisions or battle damage and that its not really a great source of evidence for overall toughness.

[GRUNHERZ]

And what about the guys who never made it back?  And again one could just say the same thing about FW190 or BF109 as shown in this tread.  If my scanner was working I could even show a picture of an FW190 with heavy wingtip damage of some 3-4 feet cut off due to collision with a Spitfire. The FW190 survived and spit died. And so on and so on for almost every plane.

I laugh at the mythical propaganda blasted out by some allied zealots here that their planes were some sort of flying armored titanium battleships while everyone else plane was made of balsa and ricepaper... Perhaps you have the same humor at the LW uber alles crowd.

But frankly I dont care too much in AH as most planes, even some bombers to my suprise, fall easily to a well aimed burst of 20mm and 13mm at close range as is my practice in a Bf109G6.

[Ossie]

I laugh at the mythical propaganda blasted out by some allied zealots here that their planes were some sort of flying armored titanium battleships while everyone else plane was made of balsa and ricepaper...

Hmm, in AH it always seems that every opposing plane is a flying armored titanium battleship while my plane is always made of balsa and ricepaper

[Shiva]

Hmm, in AH it always seems that every opposing plane is a flying armored titanium battleship while my plane is always made of balsa and ricepaper

Another dweeb who hasn't found the .armorme command...