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« on: September 27, 2002, 08:12:05 AM »
Well, a lot of them are. I remember taking a job in the US in 1979, and was looking forward to driving and owning an American car. Big disappointment. I had sold my Ford Cortina 2000E in England, which had a 2 litre four cylinder engine, and bought a Chev. Camaro Type LT in the town where I was based – Springfield,IL. The Camaro had a 5 litre V8 engine and I thought I could burn rubber with that. Nope. :( It seems that those big American engines back then were in a fairly low state of tune. My Cortina could have out run that Camaro. I kept it about a year, but then bought a newer one – a 1980 Camaro Berlinetta. Was OK, but the build quality was awful, and the whole front section of the car was made of plastic. :mad: I had to return it to the dealer on numerous occasions in its first few weeks to get snagging faults rectified. The speedometer didn’t work properly. Both headlamps blew. The driver’s door window would not close properly. Vibration would cause the ashtray to open and eventually fall on the floor. Microsoft had designed the wipers, which could not be switched off from high speed at will – you had to wait a minute because the car thought I might be making a mistake. Other than that, it was OK. I later drove it from Chicago to San Francisco, and even stopped one night at Winnemucca, NV :)

So much for my own cars. A work colleague had a Plymouth Volare. A $6000 car which needed $3000 worth of work soon after he had it. Chrysler lost SO much money on the Volare. A neighbour had an Oldsmobile – one of the new ones with transverse engine. He had so much trouble with that that his boss told him to throw it away and get a new car. 1980 was the nadir for the US motor industry, after the oil problems in the Middle East etc. I drove a lot of cars in the US in the years that I was there, but the 1980 ones which were ”downsized” for fuel economy, and to compete with sensible cars like the Mazda 626, were crap. There was the Mercury Zephyr I hired with a friend – drove it from Springfield to Lexington,KY (I55 to St. Louis then I64). It was automatic but had only three gear ratios, and its tiny engine could not cope. It was either revving its guts out, or else would change into top such that the revs dropped to little more than idle, it seemed.

There were little Cadillacs – GM didn’t know how to make small cars, so they shortened the front and rear ends and kept the passenger box pretty much the same. The result was a car that was a joke. Little sawn-off Cadillacs – hilarious in pink – LOL! There was the classic faux pas with the Buick 231 cu. in. engine. So anxious had GM been to reduce the former V8 engine to a V6 that they did just that, but without redesigning the crank shaft properly. The result was an engine that instead having a firing stroke every 120° as any 6-cyl engine should, the firing interval was 90° and 150° alternately. Surprise, surprise – levels of vibration at idle were unacceptable. :rolleyes:  It was about that time that Ford had the debacle of the cars which would jump from Park into Reverse when the driver slammed the door closed. :eek:

I have hired various cars over the years that I have revisited the US, but the very worst one was a Chrysler Le Baron. It’s engine sounded like that of a 1966 Morris Minor. It lowed and bellowed like a cow. At 20mph, there was a horrible vibration that caused the body shell to vibrate. I was not happy with that at all. I went round the car checking the wheels, and found that the rear wheels were rocking about on the axles like a load of bad teeth about to fall out. The wheel bearings were shot. I had to get a fix up done, then returned the car for a new one.

Some of the later V6 models were OK, but I never got the feeling that American cars were designed by drivers. There would be idiotic features like a piece of netting in the boot (trunk), but no remote trunk release – you had to take the key out of the ignition. :rolleyes: And the central locking always cracked me up. You had to unlock the car with the key first, then open the door to get at the central locking switch -  LOL. On my current car, I just press the remote once to unlock the driver’s door, or twice to unlock all doors. :cool:

The steering and handling on American cars leaves much to be desired. Most do not provide any "feel" through the steering, and the suspension can be terrifying. I hired something not that long ago in Washington, and was on my way to see a friend in Delaware. I came off the highway on a ramp road and was only doing about 50mph, but this car gave me the impression that I had overcooked it. I slowed to 45mph, but geez - the car was wallowing all over the place. I could have taken that same bend in my V6 Golf at 70mph with consummate ease.

So now when I visit America, I ask if they have a Japanese car, like the Mitsubishi Mirage (OK, I wouldn’t buy one myself) or the Toyota Camry (remote trunk release, can take four suitcases easily because of sensible trunk shape, no stupid netting etc.) Last rental car I had was last Christmas – a Nissan Altima. It was fine. I'd love a car like Ripsnort's bimmer, but don't have a family to put in it. :(

OK, your turn to flame British motors – except that there are hardly any left to flame! LOL. Seems unreal that 50 years ago, Britain was the biggest car exporter in the world. We never imported American cars because they all came with the steering wheel on the wrong side, and because most people wanted to get more than 10 miles per gallon. :eek: ROFL

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2002, 08:32:26 AM »
pretty hard to find any American car worth a damn from 74 to about 84... course.... no british cars could come into the country because they simply couldn't meet all the standards that American cars of the era were saddled with...   Now, if you took one of the older british cars that you are talking about and retarde the timing to 0 degrees or even a little less  like the retrofit smog kits were forcinfg older car owners to do to pass smog.... well, it would make a crappy little car even crappier.

Things started to turn around for tha average American buyer in about 84 when the 302 (5 liter) mustang came out.   If you want to bur rubber.... you shoulda found one of them.    Everyone else followed suit.   74-84 were dark days.    I had no problem since I drove older cars that I retuned after they passed smog.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2002, 08:46:36 AM »
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OK, your turn to flame British motors


I've owned a British car for my entire adult life, and have belonged to several British Car clubs.  All I'm sayin' is "Pot, Kettle, Black" lol.

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2002, 08:50:19 AM »
I agree with the statement that the quality of US-cars is inferior especially if you compare them with a BMW, Mercedes, Audi or VW.

But the designs of US-cars in the 60ties are still today unreached.

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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2002, 08:51:56 AM »
now that US cars are made of mostly Jap parts, they are ok :)
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2002, 08:56:00 AM »
my 1969 SS 396 el Camino is a very fun car to drive babek.   It also handles well with a few simple (well... sorta simple) mods.   The first American car I seen that copied/stole german suspension ideas was the Monte Carlo of the 70's.   It's front suspension was a direct copy (with softer bushings and springing and crap shocks) of a 60's-70's mercedes.  

BTW... both my cars have bilstein shocks.   The best shocks made IMO.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2002, 08:58:22 AM »
give me an American muscle car any day !

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2002, 09:07:40 AM »
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 The Camaro had a 5 litre V8 engine and I thought I could burn rubber with that.


I don't think the Camaro ever had a 5 liter. Maybe that was the problem :p

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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2002, 09:11:11 AM »
oh god..American cars made in the 70's and 80's...what hunks of crap.. when we tried to respond to the gas crisis of the mid 70's..our contributions were things like the Pinto, Vega and Pacer..what jokes.  I'd consider buying American built within the last few years as American cars have really come along way

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2002, 09:12:48 AM »
67-'69 z28's had a 302 (5 liter)  later ones had the crappy 307 and latter the not as crappy 305.   All are considered 5 litters.    latter 305's will burn the tires off if that is what you want tho.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2002, 09:18:02 AM »
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67-'69 z28's had a 302 (5 liter)  later ones had the crappy 307 and latter the not as crappy 305.   All are considered 5 litters.    latter 305's will burn the tires off if that is what you want tho.
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Ooops, my bad. I was looking at Model years 78-80 which I thought only had the 350 as a V8 option.

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2002, 09:58:28 AM »
Didn't you drive some kind of VW bug?

Or am I confusing you with someone else?


If it is you, lol check out any Junk yard.... lol you will find no car more numerous then old bugs. lol I guess they found the proper home! :) :D (I could be wrong, maybe it is just my local junk yards, but man, hundreds of them!)

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2002, 10:22:08 AM »
'99 Chevy Malibu here. No problems, plenty of scoot in the 2.4L YMMV.

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2002, 10:50:00 AM »
Lazs.  It’s not true that British cars were not allowed into the US. I clearly remember seeing Jaguars on sale, at a price lower than the sticker price in England. :confused::(  However, Lamborghinis were exiled for about 6 years because of their failure to meet emission control standards.

What I do remember is that Jaguar was fined $6m for failing to build the US Government’s mandated proportion of small, economical cars. The government required manufacturers to build some economical models. Jaguar didn’t want to tarnish their image by producing 3-door hatchbacks, so they paid the fine instead.

Sikboy – Lazs is right. 302, 305 and 307 were the engine sizes. Mine was the crappy 305 cu. inch which is exactly 5 litres, there being 61 cubic inches to a litre. The 350 engine (5.7 litre) was used only in the Camaro Z28, but no other Camaro. That engine was also used in the Corvettes.

GTO – yes I do drive a 1972 Bug, recently rescued from being broken. I bought it because I admired its history, and the role it played in bringing motoring to many people for the first time. Europe was on its back in the post-war years. I fancied an old air cooled bug, and it’s fun to drive, but also very tricky to drive compared with modern cars. It is a plaything. :D

Of course, the bug is not my only car. My other car is the Golf V6 shown in the picture. Not as fast as a Porsche, but with a top speed approaching 150mph. I hope to take this car to Germany soon, so I can let her rip on the autobahn. This car is the best I’ve ever had. Smooth engine, responsive, and with creature comforts like automatic climate control. It has variable 4-wheel drive. My previous car was a Golf VR6 (2-wheel drive) and would spin the wheels way too easily. This new Golf also has 16 inch wheels (up from 15 inches), and 6 forward gears.

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2002, 01:05:21 PM »
Beetle - very nice but Ithought they only made V5 Golfs, with the top of the line engine being  the V6 Four-motion all wheel drive?

Anyway, I don't like the new Golfs - too big and baggy compared to how it was only a few years ago. :)

My brother bought a Saxo VTR the other week - very nice car. I almost bought a VTS just to piss him off, but have decided to be more sensible.

I like the Subaru Imprezza but I'd give my left testicle for a Mitsubishi Evo VII. My cousin's boyfriend imported one from Japan and has modded it to produce 355 BHP and on a lightened chassis! 0- 60 mph sub-5 seconds - better than any porshe.
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