Author Topic: Big Week up and running in CT (Read 1227 times)

Wotan · « **on:** September 27, 2002, 08:38:45 AM »

Allies

a1- Mossie

a2-Typhoon

a3-p47d11

a4-spit 9

a5-p38
(the ammo bunkers at a5 will be destroyed and max rebuild time will be set: there will be no ord for the p38)

a6-p51b

a7-b17

a8-b17

a9-b26

a10-Bostons

a11-a20g

a12-b17

a13-Lancaster

a14-Lancaster

a15-Lancaster

a27 (Italy) - B17 / Lancaster / p47d-11 / p51b / mossie

I decided to allow the p38 even though its an "L" version. However I have decided to disable it ord. I did this because the factories have no light aaa.

I assigned a 1 plane type per field. This shouldnt be a problem since all the allied air basesare relatively close. I did it this way to force bombers and escorts to actually "form up".

Axis

a16-109g6 / 190a5

a17-109g6 / 190a5

a18-109g6 / 190a5

a19-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8

a20-109g6 / 190a5

a21-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8

a22-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8

a23-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8 / 110g2

a24-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8 / 110g2

a25-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8 / 110g2

a26-109g6 / 190a5 / 190a8 / 110g2

The Sturmbocks (190a8s and 110g2s) are the primary bomber defense planes. they are stationed further inland and around the strat objects. The 109s and 190a5s are the scouts / fighter interceptors and are stationed everywhere.

The radar settings will be maxed out (50miles). There a lot of terrain thats out side of radar coverage. I dont wont folks flying around blind and bored. If we get real good numbers I will reduce radar range. Radar will be set to 0 feet. This will stop noe raids. In real life theres no way bombers could fly from england all the way across france unseen to hit german factories. Plus the strat complexes have no aaa, just 88 flak. I will leave 88 flak lethality to main standards. If it proves to stong or to weak I will adjust it.

Structure hardness and aaa lethality will be to main standards. If it becomes apparent that the allies are using there attack aircraft to kill all the axis fhs I may up structure hardness and aaa lethality. I dont wont to stop fighter/bomber and med bomber raids against lw fields but it will get real boring should the lw not be able to fly.

The fuel modifier will be to main standards 2.0. If these needs adjustment later I will change it.

I will set 1 wind layer

30k and above = 40 mph wing east to west.

I did this to discourage 30k + bombers and escorts. you will burn more fuel and it will take you longer to get to target with this head wind. I may increase or decrease it later on.

This set up is different then any other. It may or may not work. Save your whining. I know there may be opportunities to "game" this setup. I dont know how great an appeal this setup will have to the bomber folks. However, its the bomber guys that will make this set up work. The idea is for the allied bombers to get into germany and bomb the strat. The allied fighters are to cover them and the axis are trying to stop them. There will be no field capture but the allies can and will attack lw bases.

ergRTC · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2002, 09:32:26 AM »

This sounds like an absolute winner. Thanks. I would like to request that all targets be reset before the big tuesday thursday squad nights, and for that matter, whenever you think it necassary.

The no base capture is going to be nice touch as well. I cant wait to get a fomation of 30 lancasters on there way to germany!!!!!!!

Hey 880 wanna escorrrt!!!!!!

Quick question, under these fuel settings what are the "times of over target" for the

spit 9
47-11
30
38
51b

and can the luftwaffies make it all the way to england?

what about the 110g2?

How long do the smaller planes have over england if they can make it?

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** September 27, 2002, 09:42:07 AM »

TheBug · « **Reply #3 on:** September 27, 2002, 12:18:44 PM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
Hey 880 wanna escorrrt!!!!!!

ergRTC,

We'd gladly gladly escort for ya!

In fact I'm trying to get a big bomber raid going for Tuesday night at 9:30 pm EDT. 880 will fill in wherever we're need buff or escort. I've posted about it on both the Combat Theater and the General Discussion boards. So hopefully we can have a big formation of buffs, with plenty of fighters in the air for both sides.
If enough show possibly we can have a B26 diversionary raid

One can always dream.

Miska · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2002, 10:42:48 PM »

That is SOME setup Wotan.

About time someone had the guts to get rid of "base capture" it has NO place in a historical combat flight sim (except by ground troops and as a consequence of other action).

Some of 880 just finished escorting VF27 on a buff raid on some factories East of A21. The Flak was FIERCE, the 109s were dangerous, and the 190s were hungry. We even lost one or two bombers, which is unusual for us

Is there a way to disable drop tanks for Spits? Johnnie Johnson complained bitterly that "if only" the spits had had drop tanks, they would have been the best escort plane out there.

Jester · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2002, 01:28:16 AM »

Agree with Miska. Was on that raid as one of the LW. Cruiseing along in my trusty 190 what do I look up and see but a cloud of "SPITFIRES" over Central Germany!

Folks that is the object of the P-51 as the Spit, Jug and Lightning didn't have the legs to make in that deep to Germany and return. I will be glad to loan someone a history book if they need it. How about cranking up the fuel modifier even more on all but the Mustang so things will be a little more "Historical".

Was a great raid Allies - am looking forward to more on Tue. & Thur. Just leave the Spitfires at home or turnback near the coast - Just to make things "More Interesting".

Buzzbait · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2002, 01:52:25 AM »

S!

Either disable drop tanks or raise the fuel burn way up there.

I remember during the planning of the original Big Week, they had to raise the Fuel burn multiplyer quite high.

Spitfires had range to fly to Amsterdam area, and fight for 10 minutes.

P-47's from this era could fly to central Germany.

P-51's and P-38's could fly pretty much anywhere on the map with drop tanks.

oboe · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2002, 06:07:04 AM »

Apart from the Spitfires on escort into Germany, this map and setup is top drawer material!

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2002, 06:20:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Miska

Is there a way to disable drop tanks for Spits? Johnnie Johnson complained bitterly that "if only" the spits had had drop tanks, they would have been the best escort plane out there.

The CM can "detonate" field objects. Just blow up one fuel tank, that will reduce the available fuel to 100% - no DTs! In the same fashion, ordinance was removed from the P38s in this setup.

Camo

Miska · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2002, 08:28:20 AM »

cc, then we can get a very good dynamic going with the spits trying to control the coast so the bombers can get through and the ponies don't have to drop their tanks too early. This is going to be a sweet week

Wotan · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2002, 10:39:55 AM »

In The Big Week scenario the fuel modifier was 2.0 just like it is here.

I cant detonate the fuel tanks at the spit field without increasing the down time for fuel tanks because it would ply to all fuel tanks for both sides. Since the axis have no significant attack/jabo capability this would effect the axis.

We can do this with the ammo bunkers because it makes no difference to the axis if their ammo bunkers are killed and stay down.

Increasing the fuel mod adversly effects aircraft with smaller fuel capacity. The terrain is well below 1 to 1 scale. Its compressed in the horizontal. Time to climb/alt are still 1 to 1. So a 109g6 or an 190a5 burn a good portion of its fuel to get to altitude.

The bombers and planes like the p51 and p38 arent effected as adversly of the low fuel capacity aircraft.

at 2.0 the spit 9 with dts has 56 min at full man of fuel, the 190a5 has 40 min.

Any increase in the fuel mod effects the a5 greater then the spit.

I could remove the spit if it continues to be a problem.

Or move it to a rearward allied field to make its flight time a bit longer.

ergRTC · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2002, 10:47:09 AM »

I think moving it back may be best, or perhaps put in the spit v instead? I will try to get our guys to only fly p47s and stangs on tuesday, I know they would anyway. Spits over deep germany is a little wierd.

Course now, you have to remember you asked for it!!!
The wings on those p47s dont fall off like they do on a spit, and those 8 50cals up front tend to rip little german balsa planes to bits.......

Wotan · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2002, 11:23:25 AM »

I moved the spit 9 to a5 (same field as the 38). I have the p47-d11 enabled at a4 now as well as a3 and a27.

Radar range has been reduced to 20 miles and now starts at 500ft. The base warning (flashing) range has been increased.

If the spit continues to be a problem over Germany lemme know. I dont ever fly a spitfire so I had no idea it had a 300ltr DT (is this correct historically?).

Any bomber pilots who are flying in the ct or would like to but dont lemme know why.

Any more suggestions post umm here and I'll see what I can do.

ergRTC · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2002, 11:38:46 AM »

Yeah wotan, I would like the b24 out of northern italy please, like can you have that done like yesterday?

Revvin · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2002, 01:08:39 PM »

No.9 are doing their best to support this arena flying bombers and having fun. The trouble with this arena is not the setup but the effect the low numbers have on the setup. Build times etc are hugely impacted by low numbers and it can sometimes feel futile bombing when rebuild times are set to levels normally seen in the MA. We'd also like to know what effect (if any) strat objects play in the arena. We normally go for strat objects in the MA and have had fun dancing through the ack at fuel refineries and had the LW guys chasing us home