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Offline gatt

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OUCH! The new 190A-8
« on: November 11, 1999, 04:05:00 PM »

It takes about 7'15" to get to 20,500ft from 500ft, 100% fuel, WEP, 165mph IAS. Official data say about 9'50" .... uhmmmm
Moreover it took about 50% fuel to get there.
The instrument lacks also the red TAS mark.

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 1999, 04:19:00 PM »
the TAS red mark is now in there..... thanks.

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OUCH! The new 190A-8
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 1999, 05:28:00 PM »

Hi Natedog,
I downloaded again the whole 0.38 and the TAS red mark is still missing from my instrument. Can you help me?
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Gatt
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OUCH! The new 190A-8
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 1999, 05:31:00 PM »
Perhaps that official data is that way because 190 uses fuel so much while climbing to 20k with 2.5 times faster fuel usage...
Gets lighter with fuel
My guess..
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OUCH! The new 190A-8
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 1999, 01:16:00 AM »
ok was up? buy whats said the real 190 was a worse climber then the P 51D? correct? then why is it better in the sim? the P51D had a time to 20k 7.3 minutes (7 minutes 18 seconds)
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OUCH! The new 190A-8
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 1999, 02:55:00 AM »
 
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ok was up? buy whats said the real 190 was a worse climber then the P 51D? correct? then why is it better in the sim? the P51D had a time to 20k 7.3 minutes (7 minutes 18 seconds)

Oh my, 3 second difference! That's almost 0.69 percent...

I would think that Fw 190A-8 had better powerloading than P-51 and that would certainly help in climb. I don't have any official figures here so I can't comment on the climb but I'm pretty sure real life climb figures were mostly tested without WEP. Fw 190A-8 had quite powerful WEP so it might skew the result.

You might want to test the climb wihtout WEP?

 

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 1999, 03:07:00 AM »
Hmm ...

Well, the first Fw 190 I saw online tonight in my Lavochka, I promptly shot down  

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 1999, 03:24:00 AM »
Hear Hear, the first voices whining about the first correct modeled Focke-Wulf.
BELOW 4000 meters Focke-Wulf performed slightly better than the P51 (If not used with heavy armament). Above that the climbrate of the P51 gor the advantage.

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Offline gatt

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 1999, 03:43:00 AM »

I'm not whining about the 190. I'm worried about the historical accuracy of the sim. I'm a LW driver (shifting to Regia Areonautica after the C.205 will roll out of the factory). I'm VERY happy of the low-mid alt behaviour of the Wuerger.

BUT, without the outer 20mm cannons, 100% fuel, WEP, climb speed 165 IAS, the lite 190 takes 6'45" to get to 20,500ft from 500ft (7'15" with full armament). Too good. SAME prob we have with the climb rate of the uber-Pony.

I understand that the 190 fuel multiplier burns more than 50% fuel to get to 20,500ft, but the official data say 9'54" to get there ....

Would you tell me that there is less than one minute difference between a La-5FN and a "lite" 190A-8 climbing to angel twenty?

I'd like to, but honestly I cant believe it.

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OUCH! The new 190A-8
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 1999, 06:01:00 AM »
 
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BUT, without the outer 20mm cannons, 100% fuel, WEP, climb speed 165 IAS, the lite 190 takes 6'45" to get to 20,500ft from 500ft (7'15" with full armament). Too good. SAME prob we have with the climb rate of the uber-Pony.

Again, why with WEP? Have you tested it without it? As I said, A-8's MW 50 boost was pretty effective.

Also 4 X MG 151/20 was standard armament of A-8 and I would believe that climb tests were done with standard configuration plane. If you test it with reduced non standard armament, result are too good.

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 1999, 06:04:00 AM »
Hey Gatt,

I have a number of 13 meters per second climbrate which would mean the A8 (fully armed with 4 x 20mms) had a climbrate of aboute 42.653 feet / second.
My calculation are that it should need 8
minutes for 20.500 feet but it should have a improved climb below 15000 feet and slower rate above. (The climbrate I posted above must be some sort of mixed calculation)

In order to check data here are other numbers for climbrate:


Bf 109-E:    52.496 ft / s = 3149.76 ft / min
Bf 109-F:    59.058 ft / s = 3543.48 ft / min
Bf 109-G2:   65.620 ft / s = 3937.20 ft / min
Bf 109-G6:   60.689 ft / s = 3641.91 ft / min
Bf 109-K4:   80.385 ft / s = 4823.07 ft / min

FW 190-D9:   55.777 ft / s = 3346.62 ft / min
Ta 152-H:    65.620 ft / s = 3937.20 ft / min

Do 335:      75.463 ft / s = 4527.78 ft / min

Me 110G:      only got this number 18045.5 feet in 8 minutes

Me 262:      65.620 ft / s = 3937.20 ft / min

I think for a clean FW-190 without the outer wing cannons, a climb of 7 minutes 30 secs to would be appropriate.

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Werewolf

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 1999, 06:30:00 AM »
Just tested clibrate offline gatt and i get different numbers gatt.

1. You should test without WEP IMHO

2. When flying the 190 clean with 100% fuel I get 8 minutes 10 seconds for a climb to 20500 feet.

3. The climbrate below 15000 feet seems to be
too low. I saw a big decrease in climb from 5000 feet. IMHO should not happen before 10-12000 feet in order to give the 190 its strength where it had good flight characteristics.

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 1999, 07:15:00 AM »
325 mph @ sea level (345 with WEP)
370 mph @ 18k (390 with WEP)
Initial climb - 3000 fpm @ 170 with only 2 151/20's, no drop tank or other external stores.  It's 30 mph slow at all altitudes (no wep) and is missing some 500 fpm in initial climb rate.  
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Offline gatt

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 1999, 08:06:00 AM »

Jochen,
with full armament the time to 20,500 is still 7'15", as I wrote above.

Werewolf,
why should I test without WEP if during combat I'll use it?

Ok, my friends,
I'll look again into the numbers during the week-end.
And please someone take a look into the uberclimbing Pony for chrissake ...  

Greets,
Gatt

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 1999, 08:10:00 AM »
But it is fun to fly, even now! Only got one shot out from under me in several hops, and even then it was only because the 2 ponies, 2 spits, and the 109 were PO'd I'd taken their brother right out of their pack... I'd picked a bad route to egress and placed myself under a diving pony! Almost made it anyway, then fuel ran out!

I'll get more kills as my gunnery improves (only been flying here a week). I certainly had plenty of very solid looks. Just gotta put in a bit more time...  
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