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Offline Red Tail 444

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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2002, 01:00:29 PM »
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the planes that are able to do that are dissabled after u do that and they reset ever hour or 2


Nope, disable the people. Everyone wants to talk about "The reality," that is apparently so lacking in here.

I suggest this: If people really want to martyr themselves, let them get a real feeling for being dead. In fact, let them be locked out for a day, or a week, or however long it takes for them to capture the pure senselessnessand waste of life of such an endeavor.

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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2002, 01:04:07 PM »
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Many would find them as offensive as the Swastika.


bah. I fing the confederate flag extremely offensive...doesn't mean it doesn't have a place in our history (and I hate to admit that it does).

Let's all have barney the dinosaur as our squad logos...now THAT'S offensive!

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« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2002, 03:35:18 PM »
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Let's all have barney the dinosaur as our squad logos...now THAT'S offensive!



I find him offensive

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« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2002, 06:24:39 PM »
sorry it looked like it to me........... but then again i almost never fly the g-2 and the only plane i have time to admire the art of is the P-40b "flying tigers" plus the only time i look at it is when i glance out the side and it looks like a swastika to me at first glance............... soooooooooooorrrrrrrrrry:rolleyes:

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« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2002, 06:47:01 PM »
First of all the japanese were AFRADE of dieing. You would be to, being told to fly into a large metel boat floating on the water. NOD you should read up on what it was like. I've read some books that are compiled of leter's back to the familys of kamikazi pilots. The were scared S* less. they didnt want to die. Nor would you put into the situation.
I find the idea of a dedicated kamikazi aircraft offensive to the japanese people. It made them look like savages. I dont think what they are trying to portray here.
NOD you should do some research on things you think and things that are fact! Don't go off and and say things like htis. GET THE FACTS! Ask an old Japanese Vet what he thought. He'll tell you diffrent!

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look ok let me put it this way......... u ppl are looking at it from a american point of veiw. look at it from the japanise prospective....this was almost a honor for them (remember there culter is/was to get killed rather than be captured)....... thats just the way it was......... y disaknowladge a point of aviation history......... no i don't what gas chambers but by god teh japanise did this and tons of them were volenters............. y deny this part of historylook
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« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2002, 07:15:09 PM »
HEY COACH y don't u read up on japanise culture..........

u know what a bonzi attack was...........

coach use ur head .........think the one's that survived and wrote those letters books and are vets now are there cuz they didn't do it cuz they were scared......... the ones the died wern't scared to do it duh!!!!!:rolleyes: or else they would have survived like the vets u get ur info from............

ok think of it this way yes if they did try to return to base then they would be shot i know this fact but u ever hear of them ditchin in the ocean near fleets just so tehy could live and be captured nooooooooo


 remeber i write to B-17 pilots prepeatedly they flew in the pacific they knew they were trien to kamakazi formations on purpose those ppl in the forts and libs saw the faces of ppl that were trieng to kamakazi them they saw anger not fear just utter anger and hatred
« Last Edit: October 02, 2002, 07:18:05 PM by NOD2000 »

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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2002, 03:53:16 AM »
A "symbol" gains its importance on what sort of feelings and emotions the people get from a visual image. The "swastika" is a form derived from many ancient cultures as a symbol of the moon and the sun. It is also a Chinese character pronounced as 'wan' meaning "full".

 When we go to India and look at all the wondeful temples with the swastika symbols here and there, do we think to our selves "oh crap! Indians must love the Nazis, too!" ??

 Of course not. Only an idiot would insist it is in anyway affiliated with Nazism. People recognize a symbol from the overall context, not from the "shape" alone.

 ..

 ...and the exact same kind of idiocy, I am sensing from some of these posts.

 As milenko said, implementing an "official" Kamikaze system is a non-issue. Military simulation games are controversial as it is, we don't want to go any further than as it is.

 Implementing a kamikaze attack system would mean:

1) justifying extreme suicidal attempts as a regular military tactic
2) encouraging "suicide" as a way of militaristic resistance
3) encouraging underskilled pilots to go kill themselves to earn score and recognition


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 Guess what, all three things are exactly what happened in Kamikazes of real-life. So tell me again how this is "different".

 Encouraging people to "act" in a way with a certain purpose, with a certain meaning that almost exactly matches a historically tragic  event ... and because the difference is "it is not real", that makes it OK?

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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2002, 01:00:03 PM »
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remeber i write to B-17 pilots prepeatedly they flew in the pacific they knew they were trien to kamakazi formations on purpose those ppl in the forts and libs saw the faces of ppl that were trieng to kamakazi them they saw anger not fear just utter anger and hatred



1. He's not coach

2. In the less than half a second, through all the smoke, etc. and through the prop of the kamikazi plane, do you REALLY belive that you could see the face of the pilot?

3. That kind of kamikazi attack is already in AH

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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2002, 01:31:49 PM »
1. yah he is coach

2. yah ben they could.........on both sides of the wars luft pilots described scared gunners on forts as they came in japaise did the same and the gunners have many reports of being able to see part of the face shot away and blood splatered in the back of the cockpit u got to remember ben the the luft wached certin forts and when the fire stoped from the tail and belly pos then they would sit there about 100-200yrd off and just chop away at the fort........

3. yah we have that for forts and other bombers but not for attacking convoys and bases

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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2002, 03:24:28 PM »
I have no problem with enabling kamikazes in Aces High, in Japanese planes only.

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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2002, 04:56:22 PM »
wow we need some new planes to talk about. this crap is REALLy scraping the barrel.

just kamakazi and drop bombs at the last minute if you want it so bad!

HOWEVER, personally id like it if ALL damaged aircraft (whether flown or bailed from and crashing)caused a certain amount of damage.I dont want to purposefully crash into buildings but when i bail out id like to watch my stricken aircraft spin into the ground and explode :)

with luck it will hit the ostwind that has just taken my wing off and kill him :)

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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2002, 01:45:50 PM »
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with luck it will hit the ostwind that has just taken my wing off and kill him :)
 


LOL hehe...me likes!

Imagine that poor bastage that bailed out of an SBD with 15 kills, walking back to base, and the charred wreckage of three lancs fall on him!

Yeah, I really like this idea :)

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« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2002, 10:09:31 AM »
About the Kamikaze pilots...

Saw a documentary featuring two ex-Kamikaze pilots (they didn't go through it all the way obviously), and they were volunteers...

as in their squadron commander telling them they had the honor to do this.

These guys were forced to volunteer, by peer pressure (think rigid guidelines for personal behaviour in Japan) and by pressure from above. The pilots, and their families lively recalled the horrible situation - the pilots would've gone to military prison, and their families would've been outcasts of society hadn't they accepted to "volunteer"

I'd find it repulsive to model Kamikaze flights in AH.

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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2002, 11:42:57 AM »
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These guys were forced to volunteer...and by pressure from above. The pilots, and their families lively recalled the horrible situation - the pilots would've gone to military prison, and their families would've been outcasts of society hadn't they accepted to "volunteer"...


Hmm....like, "draft dodging?":rolleyes:

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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2002, 12:15:38 PM »
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Hmm....like, "draft dodging?":rolleyes:



Thats different, if you get drafted its not your mission to dive your plane into the enemy