Author Topic: Uranium wasn't Uranium. (Read 1171 times)

Toad · « **Reply #45 on:** October 03, 2002, 09:55:50 AM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
The french intervention made US independence possible. Why do you expect more from iraqis?

miko

Miko, you're well-versed in history.

Surely you recall that the "colonials" were seriously engaged, at war and starting a revolution before:

A) The French Government provided aid

and, most importantly

B) before the French Government landed troops to help in the fighting.

Were there to be a serious widespread attempt at Revolution in Iraq, I'm sure an amazing amount of aid and troops would be near instantly forthcoming.

midnight Target · « **Reply #46 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:08:40 AM »

I'm a liberal and I have no problem with the Turkey Shoot. Once a war is entered then we should fight to win.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #47 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:10:43 AM »

But should the combatants enjoy it so much? After all, the enemy was a conscripted force, I would assume the war had not lasted long enough for any true hate to develop and they had not committed huge atrocity (compared to the Kuwaiti regime, anyway).

There's taking pride in your work, for sure - but getting off on it is another thing all together...

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Excuse me if I believe him rather than your version of a broadcast "highlight" interview.

Eh? What exactly am I supposed to be lying about? The fact that the interview took place? Please... it wasn't 'my' version. The reason I remember it was because the way in which the pilot talked - there were even people phoning in complaining about it.

Anyway, believe what you like. It's debatable exactly how an A-10 pilot busily flying a fast jet in a combat situation could count how many were running away...

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Have any details on how many Iraqi soldiers actually died in that incident? No? Why am I not suprised. Lots of dead VEHICLES in those photos though.

Do you have any details on exactly how many ran away compared to how many stayed or were trapped?

No? Why am I not surprised.

Have you not seen the pictures of Basra? I mean the up close and personal shots on the ground - are you denying there was a significant loss of life?

And what of the aftermath? The area where the massacre took place is fenced off completely, but recently journalists managed to get in with geiger counters. Guess what they found? Yep, elevated levels of radiation from the depleted uranium. Who knows what effect this has had on the environment... apart from the increased number of children born with birth defects in the South of the country of course...

Eagler · « **Reply #48 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:12:26 AM »

hehehe

what is nice is the fact that this President has the balls and power to do what is right for the country & , whether they like it or not, the rest of the free world

All the whining and hand wringing from the peace nik liberal handsomehunkcrats can't change that fact

Funny how all of a sudden, after goron, dashole & the 3-dems-in-iraq-stooges made televised fools of themselves and their party, the dems are are giving Bush the ok

life is good

and it'll be better after Nov

narsus · « **Reply #49 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:16:51 AM »

MT

I am not a big fan of Bush, he was the lesser of 2 evils IMO at the time. That doesn't mean I liked him, and I don't believe in not voting.

No, I haven't forgotten who we are. I think the weapon inspectors should go in, my ranting was about the supposed "highway of death" more than anything. My point is this, hypothetically if you knew about Hitler before he came to power would you kill him even if it meant your own death to save millions of lives. We know that Saddam when he gets the equipment will use it, perhaps not against Americans but Israel. Wouldn't you try to stop him, sanctions are not hurting Saddam personally. He is still in power and not hurting at all.

We don't have to go to war I agree, one bullet "could" solve this problem.

Sikboy · « **Reply #50 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:33:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
And what of the aftermath? The area where the massacre took place is fenced off completely, but recently journalists managed to get in with geiger counters. Guess what they found? Yep, elevated levels of radiation from the depleted uranium. Who knows what effect this has had on the environment... apart from the increased number of children born with birth defects in the South of the country of course... [/B]

Oh dear, our friend Post Hoc, ergo Propter Hoc has shown up. He's a bit late for this argument.

It's interesting to see how this has evolved, first it's about Uranium (or the lack thereof). Then "appeal to emotion" tactics. Then the Massacring of (apparently) civilians south of Basra, then the number of soldiers butchered, then the question of nessesity with regard to the attack, now we are back to Uranium! That's pretty cool.

-Sikboy

midnight Target · « **Reply #51 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:36:44 AM »

Kinda reminds me of Joni Mitchell's "Circle Game".

Speaking of music, do ya think those A-10 pilots played rock and roll .. ala Iron Eagle while they killed all those tanks and jeeps?

Just trying to get back on topic.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #52 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:41:55 AM »

MT- I think they either played "The Killing Road" by Megadeth or "Seek & Destroy" by Metallica.

In any event, it was a war. They were retreating, sure... did they surrender?
-SW

Sikboy · « **Reply #53 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:42:54 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Kinda reminds me of Joni Mitchell's "Circle Game".

Speaking of music, do ya think those A-10 pilots played rock and roll .. ala Iron Eagle while they killed all those tanks and jeeps?

Just trying to get back on topic.

No, MT, we're supposed to get back to the root causes of the gulf war I think.

Um.... Sadam was evil and we um... had to free Kuwait.... um.... won't be fooled again

-Sikboy

midnight Target · « **Reply #54 on:** October 03, 2002, 10:49:06 AM »

Wait a minute.....

Your right! It was a left at Albuquerque! dam!

OK then back to Turkey!

I like mine with just a few aromatics and the stuffing on the side.

I think we're back on track now.

Dowding · « **Reply #55 on:** October 03, 2002, 11:38:27 AM »

As the A-10 pilot gleefully described his actions, there was 'One Vision' by Queen playing in the background. I swear!!

It was just like Iron Eagle.

Boroda · « **Reply #56 on:** October 03, 2002, 12:33:31 PM »

Where is Toad?

He told me that the 150,000 civilian casualities reported by Soviet TV in 1991 is a lie...

Frankly speaking I still don't understand what the f#$k does comrade Bush want from Iraq. Looks like when the cat has nothing to do it licks his balls.

Miko, it seems to me that US now looks like the Brezhnev's time USSR, but much more agressive and absolutely arrogant in foreign politics... I have a friend from Kharkov, like you, he lives in US for maybe 4 years, and he says he can see how your country progresses to complete sovok...

miko2d · « **Reply #57 on:** October 03, 2002, 01:34:03 PM »

Boroda: Miko, it seems to me that US now looks like the Brezhnev's time USSR, but much more agressive and absolutely arrogant in foreign politics... I have a friend from Kharkov, like you, he lives in US for maybe 4 years, and he says he can see how your country progresses to complete sovok...
Only in cultural and political sense - equalising outcomes, doublespeak and doublethink. Indignation instead of constructivism.
The arrogance and "might makes right" was prevalent at least since US invasion and occupation for the Phillipine republic in 1889. May be even earlier - Mexican war, annexation of Hawaii.

It's a natural historical process - a pile of power poorly guarded attracts scoundrels who work towards increasing the pile and removing it from the population's control. And righteous "quick and victorious" war is always a good excuse. Even a painfull prolonged defeat would do - like the notorious war on drugs.

Unlike Brezhnev's, propagation of our way of life is not written as the utmost tenet of our believes - so there is always a hope that the process is reversed. In fact it happened a few times - recoil into isolationism.

miko

Boroda · « **Reply #58 on:** October 03, 2002, 02:08:30 PM »

Miko, my hat off for a wise man...

Unlike Brezhnev's, propagation of our way of life is not written as the utmost tenet of our believes

IMNSHO only imbeciles believed all Brezhnev's time propaganda.

Or maybe I just don't understand your language constructions?

miko2d · « **Reply #59 on:** October 03, 2002, 02:57:43 PM »

Boroda:
Unlike Brezhnev's, propagation of our way of life is not written as the utmost tenet of our believes
IMNSHO only imbeciles believed all Brezhnev's time propaganda.
Or maybe I just don't understand your language constructions?

Bringing communism to the world was a mandatory tenet of the communist party - and falure to do that the prime cause of it's crash. Communism cannot coexist with free society unless there is a strictest Iron Curtain imposed - and internecine fight for power ensures that sooner or later people came to power who have no will to keep it up. Stalin could not have had a capable leutenant who could have continued his policies - so a bunch of relative incompetents came to power after him

At the same time bringing democracy and capitalism to the world is nowhere on the dogma list list of any US party policies. And coexistance with authoritorian regimes is not bad for democracy - it sometimes makes people appreciate it more.
For all we know, there may be a strong swing back towards isolationism and common sence from imperialism and political correctness in the american future.
But I wouldn't hold my breath.

miko