Author Topic: Wep and cooling....... (Read 3005 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #75 on:** October 13, 2002, 05:34:28 PM »

i fly what ever plane i feel like or what fits the situation or mission , i even flew with hazed in 190's once, in CAP i flew with the LW , right now i'm flying F6F allot but you can find me in GV's, bombers , attack planes, C47's etc.

as for how accurate AH models the planes, i don't worry about it, thats HT and pryo's job, if it's close it's ok with me, i just fly the planes.

44MAG

GScholz · « **Reply #76 on:** October 13, 2002, 05:50:36 PM »

Fair enough ... I still think HTC sucker-punshed LW though ...

Glasses · « **Reply #77 on:** October 13, 2002, 07:11:51 PM »

Scholz the Ta152H did see action do a search on the net if you don't want to buy a book and see although limited how much it did . It shot down several aircraft aswell.

Wilbus · « **Reply #78 on:** October 13, 2002, 07:57:31 PM »

Ta152 shot down quite a few planes, for the loss of 2 of its own, they were constantly outnumbered in fights but thanks the climb, speed, turn rate and acceleration they could dictate most fights they wanted to against all enemy planes they encountered.

GScholz · « **Reply #79 on:** October 13, 2002, 08:30:59 PM »

Well I'm sitting here with my "Hitles's Luftwaffe" book by Philip de Ste. Croix published by Salamander Books. It's a comprehensive book detailing the history and organization of the LW from pre-war to post-war. It also has detailed specs on all LW aircraft including pre-war models and those that never made it beyond prototyping. It says here that only 10 Ta-152H's (the high-altitude sub-model modeled in AH) were made, and the only "action" mentioned was on a test flight made by Kurt Tank himself where he fled from the two P-51's he stumbled upon. The standard Ta-152 was made in some numbers (67, excluding development aircraft) and did well in the last months of the war. Btw. the standard Ta-152 is the same aircraft as the Dora, just after the renaming in Tank's honor.

hazed- · « **Reply #80 on:** October 13, 2002, 08:35:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Ta152 shot down quite a few planes, for the loss of 2 of its own, they were constantly outnumbered in fights but thanks the climb, speed, turn rate and acceleration they could dictate most fights they wanted to against all enemy planes they encountered.

just like the AH one eh wil?

nashwan so if this fuel was commonly used why isnt it modeled? have HTC ever stated why they would or wouldnt model it ?

Btw anyone wh thinks i fly LW exclusively should check my stats.I fly all aircraft , especially any new ones introduced.I often 'feel' the LW planes are muted or hamstrung and i have often done tests, as in the 190a8 climb tests.These all showed enormous differences to quoted performance in capt. Browns tests but nothing was ever said other than 'it isnt the same aircraft' blah blah blah.
People showed a deck speed chart for 190a5 and again we were told 'its not the same plane'
seems every published figures we see are not the same aircrafts.SO what the hell have we got? heheheh

bahh Im of the same opinion as john. I TRY to just play and enjoy whats there in AH but ALWAYS in the back of my mind when i get shot down is things like this cooling issue.It makes the game very hard to play as totally LW and now after years of flying them i have given up on them PURELY because of the frustration.

I guess it doesnt matter really, HTC seem unbothered by it but personally i feel it has spoiled AH for me.Where i used to think it was cool because it was so close to the real thing now i just consider it the same as any game out there.Battlefield1942 (new multiplayer WW2 game from EA)has rediculous behaviour for damage and quite silly FM but at least it doesnt 'claim' to be super accurate like most of the people on these BB's seem to claim AH is. I think LW squads add a lot to AH.For one thing if you like to fly spits and p51s you get a good enemy to fight.I prefer realistic matchups personally, so if i fly Allied stuff i like to face axis aircraft or visa versa. Seems to me if you want a less frustrating time you'd best stick to allied planes, its SO much easier. (nik,zero,ki67,ju88,109e aong a few others not included here, they seem to feel fine)

Glasses · « **Reply #81 on:** October 13, 2002, 11:21:40 PM »

Scholz read up on an encounter Wilhelm Reshcke Had with a few (Edit:)RAF Tempests . There were a couple of pilots that achieved success while flying the Ta152 in the last days of the war. Among them were Josef Keil(achieved 5 victories while Flying the Tank), Walter Loos, and a fellow by the Surname Aufhammer, I always seem to forget his first name.

I'll find it and their ranks

Kacha's LW Page, here you can find a couple of those pilots I mentioned: http://www.luftwaffe.cz/index.html

GScholz · « **Reply #82 on:** October 14, 2002, 01:36:29 AM »

Thanks Glasses! Good site!

Anyways ... Keil's bio mentioned 5 kills in a TA-152H, but Loos' only mentioned Ta-152's. Hmmmmm ... now I don't know what to believe.

Damn ... GS' not there...

Naudet · « **Reply #83 on:** October 14, 2002, 03:50:11 AM »

AFAIK the 150 octane fuel didn't arrive in frontline units.
I think one of the RAF-addicted players (Karnak/Nashwan/funkedup) said that the 150 octane fuel was used in the V1 interceptor units, but not over germany.
That was some time back in the discusssion why we just have an +18lbs WEP Spitfire XIV.

Wilbus · « **Reply #84 on:** October 14, 2002, 05:28:04 AM »

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Well I'm sitting here with my "Hitles's Luftwaffe" book by Philip de Ste. Croix published by Salamander Books. It's a comprehensive book detailing the history and organization of the LW from pre-war to post-war. It also has detailed specs on all LW aircraft including pre-war models and those that never made it beyond prototyping. It says here that only 10 Ta- 152H's (the high-altitude sub-model modeled in AH) were made, and the only "action" mentioned was on a test flight made by Kurt Tank himself where he fled from the two P-51's he stumbled upon. The standard Ta-152 was made in some numbers (67, excluding development aircraft) and did well in the last months of the war. Btw. the standard Ta-152 is the same aircraft as the Dora, just after the renaming in Tank's honor.

Without sounding rude Gscholz, you're wrong on all things there axecpt the numbers produced.

First, the Ta152 H-0 and H-1 saw alot more action then the one time when Kurt Tank got jumped by two P51's over his field. They shot down Yak's and Tempests, aswell as P47's and others. Also, the Standard Ta152 was nothing like the Dora, they weren't anywhere near really. The Ta152 was named TA to honor him BUT no Ta152 was a Dora with another name. They were quite different, even the short winged Ta 152 versions.

If I were you, I'd scrap the pages about the Ta152 in that book, they seem to be all wrong about almost everything.

Best book you can find about the Ta152 is this one: 0-7643-0860-2

If you're interestead in the Ta152, I sugest you get it, quite expensive but worth it

Wilbus · « **Reply #85 on:** October 14, 2002, 05:30:42 AM »

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just like the AH one eh wil?

Yeah hazed, exactly, it's so good that I wish they will undermodell it for gameplay issues, just can't have it as it is in the game now, everybody flies it!

GScholz · « **Reply #86 on:** October 14, 2002, 06:17:22 AM »

Thanks Wilbus!

This is not good. I’ve almost completely relied on this book for my LW facts. Do you know of, and vouch for, any other general LW books that are rather comprehensive? Do you have the title of the 152 book so I can do a Amazon search?

What can I say? … I stand corrected.

gatt · « **Reply #87 on:** October 14, 2002, 06:57:09 AM »

Focke-Wulf Ta 152: The Story of the Luftwaffe's Late-War, High-Altitude Fighter (Schiffer Military History) by Dietmar Hermann

Maybe this is the book Wil is referring to.

hitech · « **Reply #88 on:** October 14, 2002, 07:04:10 AM »

Hazed-, ive just re read all your post, you clame to have proved that the cool down time of the fw is wrong.

Hense claming we are wrong and refuse to change anything.

In all your posts I see you claming it's wrong, then trying to back it up with pure conjector.

Where in any thing you posted do you sight any documents concering the cool rate? You compare the FW to the P51, but then sight nothing about about the heating properties of either plane.

You are also looking at AH modling in a microcasam of the FW. There are a lot of planes in AH when look at in isolation should have unlimited wep.

You finaly take the final path of hey, if I don't get my way,and in this case get the cool down time for an Fw190D changed from 10 min to 5 mins, the entire game is porked.

Quite frankly I don't know which is correct,I'm not the research guy, but I do know you have no way made a case that your version of wep is more accurate than what it's currently set at.

If you wish to keep trying , feel free to, but how about you bring in some documented facts to the table.

HiTech

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #89 on:** October 14, 2002, 07:07:50 AM »

HiTech code in human language:

For each engine of the plane do the following:
If that engine has WEP ON, then add to its current temperature the elapsed time multiplied by the rate of temperature increase per second configured for that kind of plane. Also, verify that the current temperature has not reached the maximum (1.0), if so, cut off the wep and add the elapsed time to the total wep time used by that engine. (NOTE: That part is not clear for me. Why to add the elapsed time to the total wep time only when temperature reach the maximum allowed (1.0) and not every time WEP is ON?).
But If that engine has WEP OFF and there is any exceeding temperature due wep usage, then substract from that temperature the result of multiplying the rate of temperature decrease per second configured for that kind of plane and be sure that the resulting temperature is not below 0.

Then, verify that if WEP is ON and the throttle in not at 100% then WEP is turned OFF. Or If WEP is ON and total WEP time used is greater than maximum WEP time configured for that kind of plane then turn OFF the WEP.

Note: I cant see in that code any line reseting the "total wep time used" to 0.

So, each type of plane has:
- A maximum time of WEP usage.
- A rate of temperature increase per second when WEP is ON.
- A rate of temperature decrease per second when WEP is OFF.