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Offline J_A_B

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« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2002, 11:55:37 PM »
I don't know since I didn't fly F4U's in 1944  :)

One thing that matters for AH--I am fairly sure HiTech likes the F4U.  

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« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2002, 11:37:23 AM »
CC JAB,

Your right. I have been told that HT is a fan of the F4U.

It's the engineer/Programmer vrs history conflict.

However it's very hard for me to look at a 100% physics model and discount all annecdotal evidence. HT and Pyro have engineer mentalities when it comes to flight simms, as well they should because it is their baby. I just play the simm, they have a REAL investment in AH.

That's why I do so much research into documentation. What I find is that most authors of WW2 aviation material know about as much about Warbirds as I do about being a dentist. That's why things like the F4U can't turn or should ground loop on every landing get started. The same people think the P-51 won the war.

On the other hand not all annectodal evidence should be ignored. For instance the 1944 Joint Fighter Report. You can get a very good idea of what the feeling that combat pilots of the time had about the various A/C.  Another great source is the 1989 report by the Socioty of Expermental Test Pilots who did an evaluation of the F4U-1D, P-51D, P-47D-30 and F6F-5. As well as Jeff Ethal and Steve Hintons opinions on the subject.

Is this annecdotal? Yes, but it puts things in perspective when comparing apples and oranges. An engineer just wants to see charts and graphs but they don't often tell the complete story either.

Case and point in AH is the A20G accelerating better than the F4U,P-47, P-51 and F6F. As well as the relative similarities between the takeoff characteristics of these A/C. They are supposed to be different and the similarities then become conspicious. From a purely engineering standpoint this may in fact seem logical but history says differently. [/Ramble]

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« Reply #62 on: October 10, 2002, 01:44:14 PM »
One thing we can't replicate in AH is the feeling of actually being inside these things.  The entire experience feels somewhat disconnected as a result.  In a driving sim, a Caddy drives about the same as a VW, but nobody thinks they are anything alike in reality.  Same with planes IMO.

I think one of the big differences between AH and reality is for the most part us virtual pilots have little or no "formal" training.  We don't take off properly, we make sloppy landings, and so on.  The relative advantages and disadvantages of airplanes when taking off and landing becomes less important when we don't really care what we're doing and don't worry about dying.

The F4U groundloops are a great example.  In AH the F4's have a rep for groundlooping all the time; in reality it happened but not on the magnitude it does in AH.   I find that if I 3-point the F4U and go easy on  he brakes it never groundloops.

I'm not really qualified to say whether AH is "right" or "wrong" regarding the F4U's; I've never flown them.  


Either way, this is a great discussion  :)

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« Reply #63 on: October 10, 2002, 03:02:15 PM »
WELLLL.. after reading this thread I decided to try the 'ol hog thing again. I loaded her up with eggs and rockets and fuel, and took off..into the drink...6 times. I didn't put up the gear though..so i tried again, this time with my hand over the gear key, and AS SOON as the plane was airborne retracted the gear. I did the sink thing towards the water, but this time didn't hit the water! repeated again. Man, talk about a hairy takeoff. You can get a loaded hog off the deck, but the hellcat sure is alot easier. Or better yet, dont carry eggs! Go fighters!

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« Reply #64 on: October 10, 2002, 04:17:45 PM »
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I just spent 20minutes working on this. I don't roll an inch.


sorry shipmate works well with 190's and 109s when you need to back-up over wires to refuel and rearm.

if you started moving forward, too much throttle, hard to explain but when I mean't just a hair I wasn't kidding.  But then again maybe it just don't work with that blue target.  :)