Callsign Nazis

[Puck]

Originally posted by vorticon

these arnt done to stifle you "hanging out" there done because guess what happens when you go against thse things...well youll be pissin in a tube having sponge baths and eating jello for quite some time

Actually they are done to minimize liability when people DO them, get hurt, and they try to sue.

In America being a complete idiot is all to often like winning the lottery.  There's a warning on most hot beverage cups now warning people the beverage is hot thanks to a lady who put a cup of fresh McDonalds coffee between her legs at a drive through, crushed the cup, and burned herself.  The coffee was, actually QUITE hot, but the gist of the argument was the lack of warning on the cup indicating she might burn herself if she munched the cup between her legs while driving.

My personal opinion is it all boils down (heh) to a refusal of people to accept responsibility for their actions.

As always, I could well be wrong.  Took quite a few of you to get it through my head that I'm not all that different than J_A_B.  We're both extremists, I'm just on the opposite end of the spectrum.  Pretty much leaves me out of the discussion trying to find a middle ground, now doesn't it?  I'll just stick to poking fun and the Bish and Rook and hope they don't take me seriously, the rest of you get to work on a consensus for handling callsigns.

Good luck  

[ergRTC]

I think you missed the point.

The fact that we make being 'stupid' illegal is the problem.  

The first time I was riding the train in france, a kid opened the door of the car and started swinging out.  At first I was just amazed that nobody was doing anything.  Then i realized that to the french, if that kid jumps out and dies there can be only three explanations:

1.  Mom and dad were not doing their job.

2.  The kid is terminally stupid.

3.  The kid is stupid and the parents are just as bad.


How 1, 2, or 3 could possibly make the railroad responsible for the 'accident' is beyond me.  In america that is not the case.

If I feel I am capable of driving my bike across a street with out getting off or wearing a helmet, all power to me.  If I think I can hang out near a 30 drop which has no railing, all power to me.  

The fact that we pass laws against stupidity only makes it worse.  In other countries they do not do this.  Its rather nice.  You can do things like


Have a beer while standing in a garden of national landmark.

Stand next to a 300 foot drop off near the top of a 11th century castle without a guard rail or an armed guard standing next to you.

instead, we allow ourselves to be told what we can and cant do cause 'were to shhtuu shhhtuu shhhtuu  shhhtuuuupid'.

YET!!!!!!!
we will argue about our right to use which ever handle we choose....


lamo....

[akak]

Originally posted by Puck
When I worked at the University we had Parking Nazis, in AH we seem to have Callsign Nazis.  Self appointed guardians of tase and offense who have declared themselves the arbiter of appropriate callsigns.

I do think the self-righteous Callsign Nazis are more annoying than anything you can cram into 8 characters.

But then again that's just my opinion.

I'm sure your ignorance might make life rosey for you, but there are a lot of people that get offended by those that try to glorify something that was so vile and evil.  Here's a post from Culero that he posted on another of these 'Nazi' threads that pretty much sums it up.  Before you try to downplay Culero's post, he was the head AWAR (GameOp) for Air Warrior before it went down, so he pretty much knows what he's talking about, unlike some here.

When I was at Air Warrior, this exact topic came up, and my initial reaction was exactly the same as yours, popeye. It makes eminent good sense, on a logical and unemotional level. I objected to policy there that prohibited this type of in-game ID (any with Nazi associations), both because of what you expressed here, and the "free speech" issue.

However, during the ensuing discussions, I was convinced to change my opinion by listening to players from Germany and other parts of Europe. Just as blitz pointed out in this thread, Nazi associations and symbols are viewed with MUCH more seriousness than here in the USA. People there, for their own reasons, even see fit to make this kind of thing illegal. By an overwhelming majority, German players expressed to me the desire to have these things banned. Many other Europeans said they felt the same.

It was out of my respect for the feelings of the German and other European members of the game community that I changed my mind. Sometimes you have to balance one desire against another. I decided that my feelings about "free speech" and "a game atmosphere that involves killing" weren't as important as the profound bad feelings Nazi associations created in the heart of a large group of fellow players.

Not that it mattered much what me or anyone else thought, moggy was in charge and he delighted in
stomping on anything Nazi.  

culero (not saying AH has to mimic AW, just saying)

Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders

[john9001]

i'm offended by the handle "blitz' it reminds me of "blitzkrieg" the war where countries were over run and innocent people were killed, i want it changed.

flower

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by john9001
i'm offended by the handle "blitz' it reminds me of "blitzkrieg" the war where countries were over run and innocent people were killed, i want it changed.

flower

I'm offended by the name  'john', it reminds me of 'johnson' which is slang for a particular part of the male anotomy. I feel is it offensive to the female community as it could be considered sexual harrassment!

I demand it be banned!

[Nash]

Yeah? I'm offended by "tronski". It was way too addictive an arcade game. I only got a coupla bucks a week allowance back then, and instead of buying gummy bears I wasted it all on your stupid game.

[Duedel]

You guys dont get it. It's OK if the US is liberal and u dont get offended by anything but for many Euros and Russian people its plain disgusting. So if a newbie lets say from the netherlands comes in here and see those callsigns what is his first impression: he would ask himself if there are Nazis in here, if this is a Nazi game. You dont believe it? Ask my brother as he first saw Mr. SSWaffen.
Very very bad reputation for AH.
OTOH there is surely a difference between the spawn of the most horrific Nazi ideology (i.e. Waffen-SS) and flying the planes in a german Geschwader like the KG 51.

You have to know that it's not important if u are OK with those callsigns. Cause many of us euros are not, be so kind and stop this nazi crap. I won't and can't accept this!

BTW The badest thing is that some people think they could make silly jokes about the feelings of other people. Get mature and try to accept the opinion of others.

[Fatty]

I'm offended by the name Duedel, because I don't draw very well.

[fullback]

I don't enjoy this thread and hate to add something serious to this discussion, but I will:

The Bf-109G2 has swastikas on the wings.

I believe that would make AH illegal to download in Germany and subject to blocking by ISP's. It may even be illegal to have installed on your hard disk. Can some European members, or anyone more knowledgeable than me, confirm that?

If that's true, I hope HTC finds a sensible solution to keep this game fun and uncontroversial. It is a game.

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After posting this, I now realize that I should not have posted it. Instead of erasing it, I've kept it so the following posts (highlighting my stupidity) will make sense to readers.

I didn't say it was banned in Europe. I didn't know that color was a determining factor. I can read. I know the religious historical roots. I only asked for confirmation and said nothing with an authoritative air. I have been reminded again, just how dangerous a keyboard can be.

[DB603]

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 AcesHigh's Bf109G-2 is NOT banned in Europe because it is having these BLUE "things" on the wing and fuselage. It is user's discretion to use or not to use the game I guess. Any person who can read knows the difference of this BLUE one to the BLACK tilted one used by a lunatic person some 60 years ago.

 For me these Luftwaffe squadrons are not offensive. They are part of our common history. It is just that some players in some games use actual names of real persons and might behave sub-par causing people to connect the names with something negative. This annoys me. Kind like someone acted like a jerk using a name of a known person...

 IMO HTC has done great work including Finnish Air Force G-2 with original markings and not with the post-war roundels. HTC knows the history behind them and I appreciate that. My 2 cents!

[SELECTOR]

I hate this thread too... I hate all what the NAzis stood for AND what the stand for today..But the swastika is just a symbol and gos much further back than the nazi regime..Unfortunalty its is a symbol associated with terror, and lets not forget in this modern day ,symbols of terror are everywhere..
im not sure about it being illegal in Germany.. but in UK people are free to do what they want. i for one would make it illegal to be an active racist..

As for these people who give themselves Nazi handles are most likely kids who know nothing of history or bigots.. HTC should just change there handles without warning it cant be hard , then send them a new password and say now dont be silly we want nothing of this here..

as for politicaly correctness in AH,, this will never happen people will say things that they think are innocent but will deeply hurt someone else... for example i heard on channel one last night that the UK used car bombs.. now this might have been a flippent remark by someone who thought it was funny but to me it was not..i was in manchester when the bomb went off there and i was scared toejamless..

Just think before you type, this is a GAME not a political platform for the UNINFORMED..

thank you to all the normal people out there..

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by Nash
Yeah? I'm offended by "tronski". It was way too addictive an arcade game. I only got a coupla bucks a week allowance back then, and instead of buying gummy bears I wasted it all on your stupid game.

 

[ergRTC]

I vote for htc to automatically change there names to....

lazs

lazer

laz2

ripsnort







hehehehe

[Wlfgng]

so I suppose we should ban this also.. I mean it looks kinda nazi-ish....

[Biggles]

Originally posted by fullback
I don't enjoy this thread and hate to add something serious to this discussion, but I will:

The Bf-109G2 has swastikas on the wings.
 

Now, I may be wrong, but I don't think the crosses on the 109 wings are swastikas...just as the crosses on a Fokker Dr-I's wings are not swastikas.