Callsign Nazis

[Wlfgng]

very true

[john9001]

this has been discussed over and over , the G-2 has Finland markings that predate the nazis use of the swastika, finland was using that marking before there was even a nazi party.

the LW used the black cross ( german marking) on the wings, ( the proper place for national markings) and only used the swastika (black) on the tail.

the G-2 has finland markings (blue on white background )swastikas on the wings .

44MAG

[brendo]

Ive seen some pretty insensitive handles around though. Something names ARE offensive

[agosling]

... that the kind of control some people would like to exercise over the (admittedly distasteful and provacative) naming preference of others is precisely the kind of control that the National Socialists, other European fascist regimes and the totalitarian communist regimes employed on their citizens? Renaming things to make them sound like they fit more in line with their political philosophy. Outlawing thoughts. Outlawing words and concepts associated with the "other" side's political philosophy?

And, for what its worth, who says it should be illegal to offend someone? Are we all such total wimps that we can't deal with a little offense from others without trying to build a consensus of other people to gang up on the offenders?

Why get so worked up about what might be going on in someone elses head?

Words don't hurt me - virtual cannon does, though!

[Hedu of JG26 Warbirds]

Guys, since I don't fly AH, I have a question of verification.  Are these callsigns of a historic german nature, or are they "doodz" callsigns?  Please I don't mean doodz as a slam towards any game, just as as a name for a callsign that isn't historic.

Callsigns in gaming used to be all about the person they represent, now they seem to be about shocking fellow players.  I play Day of Defeat quite a bit, and see all types of vile crap as callsigns, but I will say I have to make an effort to remember that there aren't any rules out ther on the net.  It sounds like you guys have rules in AH, which I think is great, and within reason and control of the owners of AH.  We have a few in WBIII, but seems to be just a few.  It's funny, Rip brought up -pnus-, which when pronounced out loud, man I gotta laugh.  Pnus's defense was that it meant "part number unites states", which is a pretty good laugh too, but also almost a valid defense, if you didn't really realize how much rise it gets out of people, no pun intended.

My other point of the arguement must start off with a disclaimer.  I am not a nazi sympathizer nor a nazi apologist in the least.  One thing to remember tho is that a nazi was almost always german, but a german wasn't always a Nazi.  To it's credit, both the Luftwaffe and Kreigsmarine had alot of non Nazi party higher ups and distinguishable pilots/sailors.  They didn't fight for Hitler, or the Nazi party, but fought as a patriot might for his country.  Names like Galland and Molders and Marseiles were proffesional soldiers, ardent religious catholics/christians, and not party to or aware of the holocaust.  It is VERY easy to group those few into the Nazi fold, but very unfair to.  If someone used names like Himmler, or Hitler, ya then I would have problems too.  We used to have a guy in WBs that would get on the arena channel and yell that he was here to kill all facists.  It may be funny the first coupla times, but then he got abusive with it, and said all LW squads were facists.  It took the fun out of it right away.  He was told vocally by many that he should really rethink what he was doing, which he did, and the problem went away.

Maybe, if you are having that same kinda problem, the same treatment might help you guys.  Let them know what is bothering you,  without freaking out at them.  No one likes to be the arena pariah.

Good luck with it.

[Löwe]

Well said Hedu.
Look nobody in their right mind is pro nazi. If you play a game to  fufill some personal Nazi wet dream, you've got problems. If your offended by every little thing you don't like, and think everyone should be as enlightened as you, you've got a problem.
There were Jagdgeschwaders, before the Nazi party, there were Jagdgeschwaders during the Nazi party, and the German Luftwaffe has Jagdgeschwaders today.  Whats the big deal with squadron names and why must you refer to guys flying in Luftwaffe squads Nazi's? I see it happen many times in the CT, if your flying Axis during an ETO event somebody will log on and say something like Hello Nazi's. There are very few if any countrys that have had clean hands through out all of history. Name a country, and at some point in history they have attacked, raped, and pillaged. It may have been over religion, territory, racial or for greed. We're all decendants of vile cruel bastages no matter where we live or who we are. If it's been pointed out to hitech, it's his place to allow certain names or not allow them. However theres enough people on high horses with this subject that we could mount a hell of a calvary charge. When a guy has an offensive callsign, ignoring it will make more noise then the whining he is trolling for.

[john9001]

hedu , why don't you come fly with us? you can try it for free

44MAG

[Hedu of JG26 Warbirds]

John, I fly too many sims as it is right now.   So many to learn and remember, I don't think I have flown IL-2 in 3 weeks.  Just moving from WB 2.77 to WBIII was a headache.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Löwe
If your offended by every little thing you don't like, and think everyone should be as enlightened as you, you've got a problem.

It's all about personnal feeling : I won't qualify this issue as "little"

you can it's your right but I don't agree on the "little" qualifier

[Turbot]

These threads not in OT should be deleted - it is completely ridiculous and only serves to give attention to people that deserves none.   Just to clarify, and there certainly seems to be some confusion on this,  this game IS NOT real life.  

If you don't like how someone plays, or how they name themselves (oddly these two qualities seem to go hand in hand somehow), simply don't play with them.   To engage these players on the board just gives them a place to get the attention they can not earn in the game.

We have Fighter, Attack, and Vehicle score categories now.   But, Judging from some folks online vs. board time or perforormance, it would seem we need a 4th category to score how some prefer to compete- Bulletin Board Score.  

This is all fine and good - but the BB Arena should be in OT where it belongs.

[hazed-]

Ok I take offence to anyone using an American Fighter squadron name because in WW2 American friendly fire killed english soldiers and so ban them

I take offence to anyone using an RAF squadron because they friendly fired some americans. Ban RAF squads

Italian squads? i dont like armani suits because they make my cheap suits look , well......cheap...ban them

I take offence to anyone using the names of LW pilots because that obviously means they are trying to promote the 2nd coming of the 3rd reich and obviously have some kind of evil plan to re encarnate hitler.Ban them too

I dont like names like pnus,banana,buttok etc etc because i have a big problem with any part of the human body being rediculed!!! its gods creation and as such should be respected!ban them

I want world peace and the first step is to CLEANSE HTC or the whole company should be banned from AH

Darth vader is obviously a representation of all that is evil in mankind and therefore Star wars should be banned, luke skywalker is obviously a warlock using arcane magic and as such should be banned.

Corn flakes taste crap and should be banned

Ok i want all these things done by tomorrow if not yesterday and pay attention because tomorrow all these demands will be changed...........


Puck , and anyone else who has a problem with people playing a game who pay the same money you/we all do........

WHY DONT YOU ALL JUST DRY UP ! GIVE US SOME PEACE AND QUIET.

unless the name is specifically aimed at someone or somebody on a PERSONAL level its none of your business.

[Animal]

HEIL HITLER!!!

[Fatty]

Is the second coming of the 3rd reich the 4th reich or the 6th reich?

[john9001]

fatty , i think it would be reich 3.1

[Löwe]

Originally posted by hazed-

Corn flakes taste crap and should be banned
 

Hmmm........... what color are the bannanas you put in your cornflakes?