Author Topic: Gun control (Read 2384 times)

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #30 on:** October 09, 2002, 01:16:16 PM »

The killer had to be using a small-caliber rifle such as a .223. The report from a large caliber rifle would instantly pinpoint his location. He may be using a military rifle with a suppressor to hide the muzzle flash and disperse the report. That would not work with a .308 or larger caliber. You can't hide their muzzle blast.

The authorities may be dealing with a terrorist, because if the above observations turn out to be true, he's probably using a military weapon.

Regards, Shuckins

vorticon · « **Reply #31 on:** October 09, 2002, 01:20:10 PM »

studys show that people habving to read small text on a computer screen smaller that 17 inches causes incredable eye problems

BAN ALL SMALL SCREENS NOW MAKE SMALLEST BE 19 INCHES

Puck · « **Reply #32 on:** October 09, 2002, 01:24:56 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by H. Godwineson
The killer had to be using a small-caliber rifle such as a .223. The report from a large caliber rifle would instantly pinpoint his location. He may be using a military rifle with a suppressor to hide the muzzle flash and disperse the report. That would not work with a .308 or larger caliber. You can't hide their muzzle blast.

Actually...

If you do your shooting from far enough away the report doesn't give much at all, particularly in an area where the echo will bounce the noise all over the place or the local flora disperses it. You can pretty much ignore muzzle flash unless you're looking right at him.

Even when you've got a bunch of guys who are in the business it can take quite a while to spot a good shooter, and that's when the shooter is after THEM. Given enough rounds from the same spot he'll get found; this guy takes his shot and moves.

Unless he starts screwing up he's going to be a real pain to catch. I like it better when the sniper sits in a clock tower. Much easier to deal with.

-ammo- · « **Reply #33 on:** October 09, 2002, 01:25:51 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by H. Godwineson
The killer had to be using a small-caliber rifle such as a .223. The report from a large caliber rifle would instantly pinpoint his location. He may be using a military rifle with a suppressor to hide the muzzle flash and disperse the report. That would not work with a .308 or larger caliber. You can't hide their muzzle blast.

The authorities may be dealing with a terrorist, because if the above observations turn out to be true, he's probably using a military weapon.

Regards, Shuckins

A .223 cal rifle makes a report that is incredibly loud. The velocity of that round exceeds the speed of sound many times over resulting in a very loud crack.

back to the fun, excuse this interlude:)

lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 09, 2002, 02:42:24 PM »

any number of 223 and 22 calibre rifles and even pistols can be found in single shot, bolt action or semi auto configuration.

Every time an anti gun guy opens his mouth out comes a bunch of ill informed crap. You would think they would be smart enough to not bring up their lack of knowledge about firearms. Point is tho.... If they knew anything about firearms they wouldn't be anti gun... go figure.

To me and anyone else who can read.... the 2nd amendment isn't about firearm type and it certainly isn't about the righ to hunt.

The cartoon was accurate in one way. All of the people portrayed owned state of the art military firearms.
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 09, 2002, 02:47:36 PM »

oh.. ammo.. you are correct. in the open or near it.. a 223 going off is very loud. in a city with a lot of bustle and concrete buildings to echo off.... the report is often not even associated with gunfire to most folks. The echos off buildings make direction identification difficult also.

line from a movie... "way of the gun" that I got a kick out of... 'Ok, one or two shots is a backfire.... 3 is gunfire."
lazs

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #36 on:** October 09, 2002, 03:07:26 PM »

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." Mohandas Ghandi 1927

Modas · « **Reply #37 on:** October 09, 2002, 03:16:19 PM »

---------------------------------------------------

Quote

Originally posted by H. Godwineson
National homicide rates involving firearms posted by the FBI always include, in addition to the actual murders, all justifiable homicides,
---------------------------------------------------

Justifiable homicides. "He needed killing...."

Puck · « **Reply #38 on:** October 09, 2002, 03:53:45 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." Mohandas Ghandi 1927

Urban legend.

john9001 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 09, 2002, 03:57:51 PM »

Mohandas Ghandi was a urban legand ???

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #40 on:** October 09, 2002, 04:06:48 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Puck

Urban legend.

Here is a bigger piece of the quote, with a bibliography:

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to the Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn."

-Mahatma Gandhi, Autobiography. Translated from the Gujarati by Mahadev Desai. Public Affairs Press, Washington, D.C. 1948.

For an urban legend, it sure is a well documented one.

midnight Target · « **Reply #41 on:** October 09, 2002, 04:41:22 PM »

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
N.B.: This quote refers to the British disarmament of the Indian Army. Gandhi never advocated the individual right to bear arms.
-Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography

Airscrew · « **Reply #42 on:** October 09, 2002, 04:45:21 PM »

I recall we used .22 rounds in the M16 at basic training at Lackland in 79, probably to conserve the regular stuff. Barrel was the same, I think they converted the bolt and the magazine.

Also I recall there used to be sabot rounds for the 30.06 in .22 and .25 calibers? for varmit hunting.

Oh and Eagler, your bait was fine, you just didnt cast out far enough and maybe use a little more weight, so the bait doesn't float near the surface.

And Rip needs to be a little more careful when coming up to the fishing hole, use a flashlight or something.

AirScrew

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #43 on:** October 09, 2002, 04:58:25 PM »

Ghandi was referring to the arms acts of 1857 and 1878

Arms act of 1857 was passed in reaction to an uprizing of the Indian citizenry with a view to disarming the people. The property of those who were suspected of having participated in the rising was confiscated.

In the Nagpur area chieftains, like Navab Quadir Alikhan and a number of petty Zamindars came to be deprived of their property on the suspicion that they had a hand in the revolt.

The arms act of 1878 introduced licensing of firearms throughout India and imposed heavy import duty. Penalties for the breach of this Act were enforced very stringently.

john9001 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 09, 2002, 05:38:39 PM »

""""Arms act of 1857 was passed in reaction to an uprizing of the Indian citizenry with a view to disarming the people. The property of those who were suspected of having participated in the rising was confiscated. """""'

yeah , the english learned what happens when the people you try to oppress have guns .......american revolution, 1776

44MAG