Drug use endangers our homes and children!

[Silat]

Originally posted by N1kPaz
for any drug cartel that is expecting to raise enough money to help fund terrorism by smuggling pot. there just isnt that much money in it. compared to coke, and heroin, you would have to be insane to waste your drug cartel resources smuggling weed. i bet most weed smuggling is done by domestic biker gangs and wannabee organized crime lords... then again... maybe not.

these commercials on tv trying to scare people away from smoking pot because it may contribute to terrorism are nearly as bad as the commercials where the girls dont want to hang out with the boys because they are high (shit when i was a teen that is how you got them to hang with you..."hey Tasha...I got an eighth, wanna go to my place and play with my TRS-80 and smoke weed"...."sure Rob")....HEHEHEHHEHE

You expect us to believe that you have actually been with a girl?:}

And its nice to know the anti drug industry is providing work for all the contracters that will be needed to rebuild the burnt out homes..

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Maverick
You have no idea of the amount of money moved by "grass". It is in  the millions so the posibility is still there.

Maverick, you are SO correct.I lived in the "Emerald Triangle" of Humboldt, Tehama and Mendocino counties and it's the number one industry= ahead of timber even. I know first hand exactly what the dope cultivation industry is all about in that area because I lived right in the middle of it from 1977 til 1984.

Do not fool yourself, people. Pot growing operations of a commercial scale like the ones CAMP and COMMET target are million dollar enterprises. These people are criminals who answer to no enviromental, health and safety, tax or any other kinds of rules. They have armed guards, booby traps and they poison deer and other herbavores to prevent them from eating the plants.

These people are NOT your mom and pop hippie growers from the 70s who put in a couple of pot plants at the end of a row of corn and tomatoes in the vegetable garden. These are people who buy land adjacent to BLM land and grow there so as not to put their own property at risk. They hang fishhooks at face lavel on paths. They illegally put locked gates across public forest service roads. They illegally tap into salmon spawning streams at the most critical time of the fish's development and actually kill off a generation of returning salmon by pumping all the water out to irrigate their pot plants.

Here's a riddle for you- If you're walking in the woods in August and there's NO birds chirping, NO squirrels chattering and the only deer you see is laying in a stream, dead- where are you? Next to a pot plantation that uses poison to protect its plants. FUG the EPA.

These are not nice people. They are making butt loads of money off of committing an illegal act and they don't care if a 12 year old gets ahold of their product as long as they get their money and they have no responsibility to society. They are having their cake and eating it too. And they're also opposed to the legalization of marijuana.

[SaburoS]

Right on Airhead! S!

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
Just out of curiousity Maverick....you ever bought or smoked pot?

Gee Raub, great point. I'm sure smoking dope makes one much more of an expert on the pot issue than one who is a retired cop like Mav.

Don't even get me started on this. Almost every year we have to "advise" a new group of squatters that my elderly parents' land isn't Government land so they'll have to remove their pot plants. If they start getting smart assed about it then we remind them we've signed a waiver with the Sheriff's Dept. to allow them to search our land without a warrant- that usually does it.

Then we call the Dept. of Fish and Game and have them walk the creekbed of the protected salmon spawning stream that borders our property up to its source, pulling out illegal waterlines used by the growers.

Because the people who have no respect for the enviroment or the law are the atypical breed of pot cultivators they bring in other fun things to a community like illegal firearms, harder drugs, burgulries, crank labs and even murders.

I personally don't care if you smoke dope or not but keep in mind the growers you support are absolutely the most contemptable of people you will ever want to meet. They are lowlife pond scum, IMO, and are beneath contempt.

[Sandman]

You know... if it were legal, they would have no reason to trespass and grow it in some remote location. They could grow it at home next to their philodendrens.

[Raubvogel]

You spoke my mind Sandman. Police could focus on toejam that really matters if they'd legalize it. Someday when all the old prudes are gone it will happen. Until then we will waste billions of dollars fighting a futile battle over something less harmful than alcohol.

[hardcase]

What about ppl who use MJ for medical purposes?

hardcase

[Dowding]

You have to give pot away to get a girl to spend time with you? Oh dear. Couldn't you rely on your sparkling personality and natural wit, old chap?

Legalise it fo god's sake. Alcohol does FAR more damage, IMO.

Legalise it and then tax it heavily - then give the tax breaks to people like me who don't do it.

[SC-Sp00k]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
You spoke my mind Sandman. Police could focus on toejam that really matters if they'd legalize it. Someday when all the old prudes are gone it will happen. Until then we will waste billions of dollars fighting a futile battle over something less harmful than alcohol.

If you dopeheads werent smoking it, then we could concentrate on things that matter.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by hardcase
What about ppl who use MJ for medical purposes?

hardcase

hardcase, the Compassionate Use Act passed by Californians allows the posession of marijuana for medicimal purposes.

In Mendocino County a "pot doc" will issue you a prescription for anywhere between forty and a hundred dollars, depending on the Doc. The Sheriff and the DA of Mendocino County, both elected on a pro-pot platform, have determined that 25 plants (outdoor, indoor is different standards) PER CARD HOLDER, plus an additional 25 plants if a member of a marijuana club, will be ignored on a local level and not proscecuted by local authorities. In effect pot cultivation is legal there.

One of my brothers has a card, and my step brother and his wife have cards also. Basically it's a way to grow dope without getting busted- it's a loophole is all. Next time my bro visits I'll scan his county issued card and post it.

I understand why a millworker or timberfaller who no longer has a job due to the timber industry going in the tank will grow a few plants for economic survival, or a guy putting in a couple of plants for some extra x-mas money, and an awful lot of my friends do exactly that. But I'm talking about the large commercial operations of a thousand or so plants spread along a creekbed for a mile or so, dumping excess nitrogen into the waterway, poisoning wildlife, shooting unfortunates who stumble upon their operation- but 100 legally grown plants, like my step brother and his wife grow every year, nets about half a million dollars at the current price of four grand a pound.

Sandman, it's basically legal- and do you know what? The same criminal element is still growing dope, dealing in crank and stolen firearms, ripping off other pot gardens and ignoring enviromental and tax regulations, etc., etc., only now they have no worries about getting busted for the cultivation. Basically, people who break the law are criminals (not sure on this one, maybe Mav can help me out) and a person willing to break one law is willing to break a second law. Legalized cultivation has no impact on those already violating the law.

Hardcase, I don't care WHAT your purpose is for smoking dope. In fact I don't really care what any of you do in the privacy of your own homes provided it doesn't involve cruelty to children and animals. I'm pointing out that if you buy pot  you are supporting a criminal element that answers to no authority. There are no ethics involved in the pot business- tell your dealer you need to buy more than usual because your 12 year old is smoking and he'll probably laugh and think that's cute- while he's counting your money. Oh, BTW, we had a surprise party last night for a buddy's wife who is fighting liver cancer and scheduled to start Kemo soon. Guess what my gift was?

Raubvogel, I have forgotten more about drugs than you will ever friggin know sonny. My anti-drug stance is based on observation and personal experiences over the course of a sometimes less than perfect life rather than being formed by a fear of the unknown. If I speak out it's because I feel I have an obligation to kids to speak out and that is as much as I'm willing to say regarding my own personal history on this bbs. Don't call me a prude and I won't call you a punk, OK? Now go smoke your bong:)

[Cobra]

Originally posted by Dowding

Legalise it and then tax it heavily - then give the tax breaks to people like me who don't do it.

Agreed, Dowding, and I'd go even further....

And then let all the States' Attorneys Generals impose a hefty settlement on them and then let juries award multi-billion dollar awards to folks who are literally to stupid to breathe.

And then THAT will put the growers out of business.

Cobra

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Airhead

...a person willing to break one law is willing to break a second law. Legalized cultivation has no impact on those already violating the law.

I don't agree with this at all... a great example is traffic laws.

Are people that disobey maximum speed laws more likely to smoke dope?

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM


I don't agree with this at all... a great example is traffic laws.

Are people that disobey maximum speed laws more likely to smoke dope?

No, Sandman, people that ignore speed limits are more likely to run stop signs, pass unsafely and, ultimately, more likely to be involved in auto accidents.

Commercial pot growers are more likely to violate EPA laws, tax laws and are more likely to steal anything from firewood to food out of your freezer.

Are commercial pot growers more likely to also drive too fast? No, because they don't want to get pulled over by the cops.

Seriously, if we continue this discussion we should move it over to CheckSix.Net to avoid this thread getting locked.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Airhead

Seriously, if we continue this discussion we should move it over to CheckSix.Net to avoid this thread getting locked.

LOL

[Kieran]

Anything moved on the black market supports criminal activity. I don't know how much clearer that could be.

What's the difference between someone whacked on pot or drunk sitting in my class? None, and neither one of them is doing society or themselves any good.