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Offline BUG_EAF322

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« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2002, 09:52:38 AM »
Talk to the dutch police maverick
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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2002, 11:15:04 AM »
Wot? I dinnae exhale!


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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2002, 02:00:18 PM »
Until the Fed gov'ment allows medical use of MJ, guess I will continue to support a criminal empire. Then again, prohibitions create em, dont ya know.

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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2002, 02:58:26 PM »
Thanks for the eye opener Airhead.

I have no qualms about sharing the fact that I was once a very heavy user. I once got to test the winner of the Humboldt county growers festival. I can honestly say, however, that I never thought of the people growing the stuff as anything but free spirited hippies. Kinda saddens me to hear differently.

Its now been over 12 years since I did any drugs (except an occasional 12 year old scotch). Don't miss it at all.

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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2002, 03:10:09 PM »
yes...i was....hehe

but i found out that alcohol works alot better for lowering their inhibitions.

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« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2002, 04:28:30 PM »
The "hippies" all quit growing over 20 years ago when the outlaws moved into the hills with their AR-15s and booby traps and crank habits. See, being new to the scene they were too inept to grow, so they did the next best thing by stealing dope from all the growers around them. All the hippies left other  than carrying guns to protect their crops, and in fact there is almost always illegal weapons and other, harder drugs seized on a commercial pot operation bust today.

A new twist this year was a group of about 30 heavily armed Mexican guys showing up in the gardens West of Ukiah and running  the growers off their site a week or two before harvest. It's no wonder someone wasn't killed in a gunbattle as happens all to often in pot disputes. I personally have known five people who have been shot in pot disputes, three of whom died.

This is a criminal element, and Mendocino County allowing a couple to legally grow up to 100 plants without fear of local arrest and prosecution with posession of a county issued medical marijuana license hasn't helped the situation but instead attracted even more lowlifes looking to either grow their own or rip off someone else's.

There are those that grow for personal use and there's those that grow for profit. The eighth ounce bag you buy for 40 or 50 bucks is grown by those that grow for profit. If you wish to "support a criminal empire" then I guess you will, just be aware of the seedier side of the business and consider yourself as being part of the problem then Hardcase.

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if ya'll
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2002, 06:04:03 PM »
are paying 40 or 50 bucks for an eighth....hehe....your gettin' SCREWED....

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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2002, 08:14:20 PM »
How is it that MJ is benificial to my health, and someone says I cannot use it for such(my oncologist agrees with me) Now, does that make me a criminal? You seem to live in a black and white world. It ain't so.

Don't be so condecending as to assume I am not aware of what I must support because the Federal Government cannot act to legalize MJ for medical use. The choice..buy it illicitly or puke and lose weight during a year of chemo. What do you think you would choose if faced with this choice? I am not the criminal, the law is flawed.

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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2002, 08:33:13 PM »
What hardcase said. There's two ways to to make it so ya don't support the "30 armed Mexiacans" element... Don't smoke it. Or decriminalize it. People aren't gonna stop smoking it...

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wtf???
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2002, 08:40:21 PM »
YOU GUYS GOT SOMETHING AGAINST FRIGGIN'
MEXICANS OR WHAT????

:p :p :p :p

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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2002, 09:42:45 PM »
Look, I am all for legalizing pot for medical use in the same way heroin can be used for medical reasons- it would be silly to be otherwise. I would be very cautious of sliding down the slippery slope of arguing for the legalization of anything merely because "people aren't going to stop anyway". You might as well do away with laws if that is the basis for making them.

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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2002, 10:41:55 PM »
Laws are designed to protect us. The drug laws ,as they are today, put us in more danger from the criminal class they create.
They do not protect ppl who will use drugs. They do not protect me from the criminals who profit from the illicit trade. I would rather trip over 10 druggies in the park enjoying their legal drugs, than meet one of them in an alley when he needs money to pay for what is in reality a cheap commodity to produce.

Illicit drugs should be legalized, just like nicotine and alcohol. We lose more to those two legal drugs than we will ever lose to illicit drugs. Legalization would destroy the criminal class that is being well fed today. Controls can be implemented. The money saved on DEA budgets and War on Drugs, Military Intervention, the propping up of the drug production countries to save their governments could be used to better us. Prisons could be used to house the truly dangerous ppl in our society instead of the 40% prison population that is there for non-violent drug possesion violations. More money could be used in treatment and education.



Legalization of illicit drugs is a win win situation.

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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2002, 12:53:26 AM »
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Originally posted by hardcase
How is it that MJ is benificial to my health, and someone says I cannot use it for such(my oncologist agrees with me) Now, does that make me a criminal? You seem to live in a black and white world. It ain't so.

Don't be so condecending as to assume I am not aware of what I must support because the Federal Government cannot act to legalize MJ for medical use. The choice..buy it illicitly or puke and lose weight during a year of chemo. What do you think you would choose if faced with this choice? I am not the criminal, the law is flawed.

hardcase


Great post Hardcase, but unfortunately the laws regarding the Compassonate Use Act have served as legitimizing the profiting in the marijuana cultivation business rather than actually bringing relief to chemo patients such as you were/are. Believe me, I think you should be entitled to whatever comfort you can gain by any controlled substance whether it be marijuana or not, but the Compassonate Use Act has legitimized the cultivation of marijuana and don't think for a minute that people using this act as an excuse to grow pot aren't taking advantage of a loophole in the law. They don't care who ends up with the pot as long as they end up with the money.

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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2002, 09:20:28 AM »
if my mother would have been able to eat and thus lived longer and possibly had a chance of putting her cancer in remission had she been able to use MJ to increase her appetite.

she couldnt eat and thus...she died...weakening every day until her internal organs could no longer sustain the life that me and my family so dearly loved.

she would sit in her room and watch the food network all day long with the volume on 0. but...she couldnt eat.

sometimes when i think about how she gave up, it makes me want to give up, but i reckon i owe it to my kids and my friends to go ahead and plod forward...hell you never know they might legalize pot and when i get cancer (both folks died of it: dad age 67 mom age 57, prolly gonna end up with it myself) I might just be able to smoke giant fat joints of kind bud and then eat large helpings of life giving nourishment.

then again maybe the anti-drug nazi's will have their way and I will just lay in bed and slowly starve to death whilst simultaneously being eaten alive by cancer.

yes...im bitter....

I just cant seem to get this toejam out of my mind. It affects everything in my life and has certainly sent me into a spin.


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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2002, 10:28:26 AM »
I can't really believe anyone thinks that legalizing drugs will make all drug problems go away. What is more shocking is the number of people that apparently do believe this.

I'd be interested to know what controls you believe will work if drugs are legalized. Seems if that is possible, those controls would work now- while drugs are illegal, yet by anti-drug law proponents' opinion, they don't. It can't be both ways, you know. The way I see it, you make your line in the sand and defend it. You may be moved, but willingly moving the line only gives the other side a better position from which to push.