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Offline Rude

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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2002, 12:33:45 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2002, 12:35:46 PM »
that explains that ,thx rip didnt know that.

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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2002, 01:48:51 PM »
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ROTFLOL!

Urchin, the armour in tanks is a known shortcoming of AH. However, AH is a flight sim first, and priority will be given to the flight-sim-first side of the house.  Think of GV's as something to do when your really bored.


This looks pretty formidable to me....

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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2002, 02:26:40 PM »
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Bwahaha!

Uh, the one thing I've noticed is that in my Typhoon I can take up to (perhaps) six hits from field ack, BUT if a guy is manning the ack one hit is all she wrote.

The 37mm fires projectiles at 900m/sec and at 2000yards range penetrates 6-17mm of armor, depending upon the angle.  It can fire AP, or HE, and one of its most devastating uses is upon Infantry. This gun was so feared and admired during WWII, that American tank manufacturers attempted to emulate its charateristics into their own weaponry following the war.

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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2002, 09:40:42 PM »
Ist, Don't you guys know this is the best modeled game ever?!?!?! There  can't POSSIBLY be a mistrake in the game!!!:mad:

2,nd, Voss, bull! If you will note, American armor went to the 105mm gun. There was not a 37mm gun put out for armor usage after WW2. The closest is the 25mm bushmaster in the Bradley AFV. The only 30  mm gun that makes armor worry is in the warthog. Hardly a recreation or immitation of the osti. Even the AA gun the Army fielded around the time of Viet Nam was a 20mmm gattling on the M113 APC.
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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2002, 10:06:14 PM »
Oops, you're right Mav. I was thinking about the 88mm Flak 37. My bad. However, the muzzle velocity and armor penetration noted above is accurate.

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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2002, 12:12:59 AM »
Obviously this most complex damage model has a flaw.

37mm FlaK rounds shouldn't be capable of penetrating much anything at range.
(Got to wait to see 37mm rape Tigers :D)

75mm wouldn't need more than couple hits at zero angle and the tank should be pretty much dead.

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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2002, 12:28:01 AM »
I seem to recall being shocked when a P51D single pinged my Panzer and I found myself in the tower. The range was 1.1k and it was an MG kill. If, that can happen, I am not surprised that a 37mm ack gun can do the same thing.

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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2002, 01:35:52 AM »
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This looks pretty formidable to me....


rogwar,

LOL... i remember those beasts... sea urchins scared the hell outta me when i was a kid

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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2002, 05:08:05 AM »
The rule for attacking panzers is:

If it doesn't die on the first 75mm AP ping, it's gonna take at least 20 more rounds. (This always seems to be the case for me)

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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2002, 10:04:42 AM »
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Obviously this most complex damage model has a flaw.

37mm FlaK rounds shouldn't be capable of penetrating much anything at range.
(Got to wait to see 37mm rape Tigers :D)
 



wait till someone loses a Tiger to a  single 50cal M3 :O

ooooooooooh the WHINE!


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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2002, 10:08:41 AM »
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If it doesn't die on the first 75mm AP ping, it's gonna take at least 20 more rounds. (This always seems to be the case for me)


Depends on how you go for it; I've had some fun on the Mindanao map at, IIRC, A25 by driving south to the lip of the second dropoff, overlooking the vehicle spawn point from V69 when attempts are made to use vehicles to support an attack on the field. Because my shells are dropping in on their targets, I can get one- or two-shot disablements fairly easily at ranges out to 2000 yards or so once I've got the range sighted in.

At shorter ranges, picking your target point becomes more important. A couple days ago, I was defending a town when an Ostwind popped up at the nearby spawn point. At a range of about 800 yards, my first round killed his turret, but he maneuvered to put himself bow-on to me, and I bounced two rounds off the front face of the upper hull (where the driver's vision block is, the thickest armor on the vehicle). I changed my point of aim and pumped one round into his starboard running gear, and he tilted over, slewed around, and stopped, bailing about two seconds later.

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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2002, 10:43:06 AM »
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i was under the impression that AP shots were NOT armour peircing so OF COURSE it will take more to take out the armour on a tank...as of the 37 flakpansie gun well i htink that that is a HE so it is armour peircing. if you must do tank to tank battle use the smoke shots to help with your aim and the HE shots t oremove that evil tank


"HE" stands for "high explosive" which was used on soft or area targets.  "AP" stands for "armor piercing" which was used against (obviously) armored or hard targets, such as tanks and bunkers.

Most powerful gun is the DE-mounted 20-mm gun.  How do I know? I've sunk heavy cruisers and CV's with it;). Talk about a damage model that needs upgrading.:rolleyes:
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