Iraq, Korea, WW3 in the making?

[Zapkin72]

I think Iraq could lob as many chemical and/or biological weapons as they want at both allied ground forces and Israel, and we will not retaliate nor will the Israeli's retaliate with nuclear weapons. Doing so (using nukes) would further alienate us from the rest of the pacifist whiners who we desperately need to buy our products and services.

Although about 25 cleverly placed daisy cutters could cause quite a bit of damage and get our point across nicely.

just my opinion.

Look its cool

[Vulcan]

Thats gotta be the FDBs - tards...

[Udie]

Originally posted by Eagler
I know it sounds like sci-fi or something

but do you really think there are NOT groups out there plotting/planning, trying to figure out a way to carry out a plan as described by Yeager?

I do. I think there are kooks who sit around and think of nothing else. All they need is a helping hand and they will attempt it, not wise to think otherwise....

 People are too ignorant and/or stupid to think like that Eagler.  We aught to just bomb them all in to the stone age and keep them there until they learn not to kill inocents.  The thing that scares me the most is that it seem that there is nobody around to make the hard decisions that need to be made.  Like they did back in WW2.  Why are ANY saudi's allowed to enter our country now?  Why is ANY middle easterner allowed in?  Screw racial profiling.  

 Call me a bigot, call me racist but call me alive.  I'll apologize when it's all over and then I'll help you back on your feet.  Try to hurt me or plan to hurt me and I'm gonna hurt first and hurt bad so that I don't get hurt.  Not civilized enough for you who condone Saddam? Well guess what civil society is in the minority on this planet.

 Then again,  one way or another we're all going to die. What if we are in a situation in which no matter what we do we will all die from nuclear destruction?  There are so many variables to this that nobody even thinks of, nobody of any importance anyway. Everybody's ready to go to war but who's willing to go fight this war?  I think I am if asked, but who's willing to volunteer?  I don't mean Iraq.  I think it's foolish to think that Iraq is the only country we are about to fight.  We're about to be in a big one and it's been brewing since the cold war ended.

 Here's a list of who I think will be on the "bad guys" side in the next world war.

Iraq
Iran
Pakistan
Egypt
Jordan
Syria
Lybia
N. Korea
China

Allies?

USA
England
Austrailia
?

 I wonder where Russia will fall in this.

 I've always been a glass 1/2 empty type guy I guess but I don't think I'm wrong in this instance.  I honestly think that most of us will be dead within the next 5 to 10 years and what will be left won't be worth living in.  If we act wisely and without haste we may make it through this.  But there is a large group of people in this world that think the 7th century way of living is better thant the 21st century way.  20 nukes in 20 cities going off at the same time would be a very quick way to get to the 7th century I think.  Scariest part is that 20 nukes in 20 cities would probably be easier than 4 hijacked planes into buildings, provided they can get the nukes.

 What's the yield of a suitcase nuke?  kilotons or megatons?

 North Korea has nukes eh?  I  say we get our damned lazer/missle defense system up and go over there and liberate the people of N. Korea and reunite that country.


 But what do I know? I'm starting to think not much...

[Gixer]

Quoted from a Nuclear weapons information website on suitcase sized nuclear weapons.


"Such a device might have a yield in the .2 to .5 kiloton range (although, recent reports suggest a 10 kiloton). Not enough to bust a city, but certainly adequate for strategic targets like listening posts, regional air traffic control centers, major power plants, hydro-electric dams, large highway interchanges or strategic locks and dams."



...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers

[Zapkin72]

you are a pessimist man.

[senna]

Just out of curiosity does anyone know anything about N Koreas AirForce. What do they fly. I could do a search but I figure most of the interesting links might be in Korean anyways. Anyone with any info, experts out there?

[NUKE]

Mig 21's and Mig 23's

[senna]

Dam that was fast. Thanks.

Some links would be appreciated if anyone has any.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by NUKE
Mig 21's and Mig 23's

this is what they have

if we turned the USAF loose, they wouldn't be flyin anything

[Nash]

Wow Udie... I haven't heard that kinda... sadness (not the derogatory meaning)... since the Reagan years when bunker buildin' came back into vogue.

You either gotta take some kinda proactive measures on your own, in some form... something that will make you feel better about it all... or just quit paying attention to the papers for a coupla of months.

It aint healthy, what I see in your posts lately....

I read this book about, uhm, 30 steps to better health or better living or whatever... and one of the 1st things it said was to take a two month break from reading any newspapers and watching the news. I never followed any of the advice, but that one did make sense to me.

I reckon after a while you would stop being consumed by events that you have absolutely no control over, and start instead to become Udie, this guy who lives in Texas, has a job, drives a car, fishes... christ - the girls in Texas.... Stuff that matters. The rest of it? The news? What the hell you gonna do about all that anyway? It's fun to discuss but it *can* get unhealthy. I mean... thinkin' we're all gonna die in 5 years? Might happen, but that kinda insight is gonna have the sole effect of makin' one's last 5 years on this planet a miserable experience.

So, you can spin yourself outta control by all this... and it won't change a single thing. The only thing happenin' is you gettin' spun outta control. The other fix is to get proactive about it, and try and do something.... and that can give you peace as well. But besides that, frustration, helplessness and fear are not an unusual result.

Ah heck... maybe I'm readin' more into this than is there... and I *totally* apologize if this is outta line or over the top.

[UserName]

What do you say about that?



Well?



I thought so.


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This reply must piss off a lot of people, judging from that BBS pet peeve thread

[Udie]

Well generaly speaking I try not to pay attention to this toejame anymore because it keeps me pissed off all the time.  Problem is that I care about mankind, a lot.  You're right I should get up and do something to effect change in my world, but I honestly don't know what I could do that would make any diference.  I'm open minded enough to know that I could be completely crazy in my prediction of the future of our world.  But I look at history and I don't see any diference in the way people act in the last 500 years or 1000 years.  Sheep and leaders and every so often one or more of the leaders are nut jobs and lead the sheep to slaughter.  I see a LOT of nut jobs posing as leaders now and some/most of them have or will have nukes.

 Ya know what kind of credibility is a former psuedo-hippy who's now conservative and smoked pot for 20+ years? prolly not to much.

Originally posted by Nash
Wow Udie... I haven't heard that kinda... sadness (not the derogatory meaning)... since the Reagan years when bunker buildin' came back into vogue.

You either gotta take some kinda proactive measures on your own, in some form... something that will make you feel better about it all... or just quit paying attention to the papers for a coupla of months.

It aint healthy, what I see in your posts lately....

I read this book about, uhm, 30 steps to better health or better living or whatever... and one of the 1st things it said was to take a two month break from reading any newspapers and watching the news. I never followed any of the advice, but that one did make sense to me.

I reckon after a while you would stop being consumed by events that you have absolutely no control over, and start instead to become Udie, this guy who lives in Texas, has a job, drives a car, fishes... christ - the girls in Texas.... Stuff that matters. The rest of it? The news? What the hell you gonna do about all that anyway? It's fun to discuss but it *can* get unhealthy. I mean... thinkin' we're all gonna die in 5 years? Might happen, but that kinda insight is gonna have the sole effect of makin' one's last 5 years on this planet a miserable experience.

So, you can spin yourself outta control by all this... and it won't change a single thing. The only thing happenin' is you gettin' spun outta control. The other fix is to get proactive about it, and try and do something.... and that can give you peace as well. But besides that, frustration, helplessness and fear are not an unusual result.

Ah heck... maybe I'm readin' more into this than is there... and I *totally* apologize if this is outta line or over the top.

[OIO]

Errr.. 10 kilotons is enough to wipe out a few dozen city blocks and irradiate the place for 100's of years. Not to mention neutralizing a whole city (evacuated), hogging up resources (relocating, cleanup) not to mention the horrible cost in lives.

Kinda sad we can make a superbomb the size of a suitcase but cant manage to make a fricken space station cost-effective.

[Innominate]

Originally posted by OIO
Kinda sad we can make a superbomb the size of a suitcase but cant manage to make a fricken space station cost-effective.

The only thing I know of that could make space cost-effective is the space elevator, which may not actually be that far off.

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No nation would dare use a nuclear weapon openly, it would invite massive retalliation for various other nations.  IMO it should be a policy of all nuclear nations to wipe out any nation who does so.

The only real threat of nuclear weapons is terrorists getting ahold of them, most likely secretly given by a country such as iraq.  I doubt N korea would want to bother.

The problem with nuclear weapons is that they're useless to anyone with a national allegiance.  They need to continue to exist, for as long as more than one country exists with a military.  In order to not be used, they need to be ready to be used.  When there is a nuclear attack, to which retalliation is impossible, nothing can be done.

[OIO]

"No nation"

Terrorrist networks aren't nations.

As far as nations providing them with the nuke "gear", thats so easy to do and so whoopee hard to track who did it that any of the nations in the above list, or any fruitcake dictator can provide them.