POLL: Hot Restarts for Engines

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by Rude


20000+ hrs in fighters to airliners and the owner of a warbird say you're mistaken.

and your qualifications are?

Rude,Busher is an airline pilot who also has lots of experience in piston pounders I do believe...Still I don't know who is right about this...Interesting for sure..

[Dago]

Rude,Busher is an airline pilot who also has lots of experience in piston pounders I do believe...Still I don't know who is right about

I dont know Busher, but I will take my friend Randys word over anyone regarding operating warbird engines.  Randy tells me that restarting a windmilling warbird engine, including the 2800 is easy.  I would venture to say I suspect Randy  has shutdown and restarted more radial engines inflight than probably most about anyone else in this country.  He has a long history of providing training in warbirds, and is also one of the few a person sees for a LOA or Type Rating in Warbirds.

See my above post for a link to a profile of Randy.

dago

[iwojima]

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[ccvi]

What's this discussion about windmilling??

In the game the engine is usualy killed when flying 90 degree upwards before winging over, and then restarted immediately. The aircraft is at near 0 knots, and not even moving forward exactly.

Now... is THAT kind of restart possible or not? Go and ask him please.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Rude


20000+ hrs in fighters to airliners and the owner of a warbird say you're mistaken.

and your qualifications are?

What Loin said.  I wan't relying on my qualifications.  I was relying on Busher's.

20000+ hr pilot, who's father was a highly decorated WW2 pilot says YOUR wrong.  Muahahah!

[Dago]

20000+ hr pilot, who's father was a highly decorated WW2 pilot says YOUR wrong. Muahahah!

I am never wrong!  

Well, I guess he is approaching 2/3rd's of Randys time by now, and Randy is a retired 747 driver.

Btw, 20,000 hr flown in an airliner is irrelevant to discussions about Warbird engine operations.  

For what it's worth, Randy:

Flew the B29 Fifi out of storage to the CAF for restortation,
Trained the other CAF pilots to fly Fifi, and he still flies it today,
Has flown pretty much every B17 still operating in this country,
Has extensive experience in B25s, and was an instructor in them,
Can talk at length about the flight characteristics of every piston warbird flown by the USA, and alot of other countries because he has flown them all extensively,
Is the Chief Pilot of the NDPER program, the Examiners who issue type ratings and LOAs to fly warbirds,
Some of the aircraft he checks people out in include;

In addition to the fighters,
AD-4N
G-TBM
G-F3
B-17
B-247
FO-5
B-307
BU-2000
B-24
B-377
CV-LB30
CV-P4Y
DC-4
DC-6
DC-7
L-1049
C-46
C-47
DC-2
DC-3
DC-3S
DC-B18
DC-B23
HW-500
L-14
L-18
LB-34
PV-1
PV-2
C-82
CV-240
CV-340
CV-440
DC-A20
DC-A24
DC-B26
DH-4
FA-119
FA-C123
L-P38
L-202
M-404
M-B26
N-B25
NH-P61
L-P2V
CV-PBY*
G-111*
G-73*
G-S2
G-52
G-F7F
SK-43
SK-44
CV-PBY
G-111
G-73
SA-16

During checkouts on multi-engine warbirds,  shutting an engine down was a typical event.  Now, if Randy tells me that restarting a warbird engine in flight is easy to do, I will believe him.  To be honest, I really do not believe there is a more qualified individual on Warbirds and Warbird engines in the country.

For interesting reading:

Randy


Warbird Engine Operation

[Yippee38]

B     because......


.....I don't think it makes a significant difference.  If somebody shuts down their engine in flight and gains an advantage that allows them to wax you, they probably would've waxed you anyway.  If they shut down the engine and you nail them, you probably would've nailed them if they hadn't.

Fly and have fun. That's what matters.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Dago
Btw, 20,000 hr flown in an airliner is irrelevant to discussions about Warbird engine operations

I imagine that this is directed at Rude as he was the one to first bring it up.

BTW, WOW!  I didn't realise Rude's experince with WW2 planes and engines was so extensive!

[Fariz]

Originally posted by ccvi
What's this discussion about windmilling??

In the game the engine is usualy killed when flying 90 degree upwards before winging over, and then restarted immediately. The aircraft is at near 0 knots, and not even moving forward exactly.

Now... is THAT kind of restart possible or not? Go and ask him please.

Holly Skuzzies shaved sheeps! Holly JOC's vodka! Holly Hajo's 7th wife! I am not going to read this thread anymore, it is gonna hurt my brains!

[Rude]

Originally posted by Thrawn


I imagine that this is directed at Rude as he was the one to first bring it up.

BTW, WOW!  I didn't realise Rude's experince with WW2 planes and engines was so extensive!

It's not my experience, but rather a close friend of mine.

This is funny, because when I first discovered that this engine shut off thingie was being employed as a tactic in AH, I spoke with my bud and he immediately told me I was wrong regarding this not being possible.

HE flies this sim as well, but I will wait for him to return and he can speak for himself.

Now I once was a pilot(before four kids and a wifey entered the pic). Don't have alot of hours. Never flew a warbird, but have flown several varieties of piston aircraft....as long as the prop is spinnin, the ignition lit back up will fire the engine.

My friend owns a warbird trainer, be interesting to see what he has to say. I could have misunderstood him, but I don't believe so.

Common sense in these matters tends to prevail.

We will see eh?

[Hammy]

i couldnt give a toss really i dont use the tactic

Hammy

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by Hammy
i couldnt give a toss really i dont use the tactic

Hammy

Okay, I think that means you agree with me that gunjams need to be modelled.

VOTE PROPOSITION 69 FOR GUNJAMS!!!![/SIZE]

Atleast that's a worthwhile thing to model... or "de-model".
-SW

[hblair]

Originally posted by Oedipus
And for the players who have asked about shutting down/running back up WWII aircraft engines, from people who've flown planes that had them, did you also ask them if they would do so during combat?

Oed

While you're at it, ask them if they would have flown into a 256X256 square mile area full of 300 bad guys, flying any variety of plane from '40 to '45, and do it with no wingmen or any kind of organized flight assignment.

[popeye]

"If a player could put thier airplane into a deliberate spin and pull it out on que and use the new position against an opponant to his advantage"

Heh....  Is Zy spinning.....er, flying AH now?

[hblair]

Originally posted by Oedipus
(p.s. So Hblair? On the basis of that *what you just wrote) then no realism or higher expectations should be sought, eh?)

Not saying higher expectations should not be sought. Just not selective higher expectations.