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« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2002, 01:33:21 PM »
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Retesting I also did a longer p51 decelleration from 350 IAS to 200 IAS at 5k.

Again, no difference between chopping throttle and cutting engine.


try testing where you pull a 4-g turn for 3 secs and see the results...  use a 109g10 for the test as well... i think it'll affect certain planes more than others.

in any case, imho, it doesn't make enough of a difference to be worthwhile, except it may be a tad wee tiny microcosmically faster than cutting throttle. maybe.

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« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2002, 03:22:27 PM »
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try testing where you pull a 4-g turn for 3 secs and see the results...  use a 109g10 for the test as well... i think it'll affect certain planes more than others.

in any case, imho, it doesn't make enough of a difference to be worthwhile, except it may be a tad wee tiny microcosmically faster than cutting throttle. maybe.



but of course, this is a top priority item and must be fixed by htc immediately!

screw that mission arena, i want to make sure that i can fight and extend and run around with my purty p-51 without any chance of some lucky newbie killing me using anything other then those tactics.
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« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2002, 04:08:25 PM »
Yeah Fatty, I got the same results by looking at the glide rate with engine off and idling.

And shane, with your test you have to hold exactly 4Gs and keep exactly the same alt or the data will be screwed up. Or you do a buttload of tests and hope the incosinstencies average out. Either way its well beyond Fatty's capabilities.

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« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2002, 06:52:43 PM »
if it keeps him too busy from stinkin' up the MA with his dweeby gamerisms...

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« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2002, 07:31:45 PM »
The g key only does gear, no matter how many times I press it.

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« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2002, 09:45:07 PM »
C. This crusade is silly.
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« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2002, 10:16:26 AM »
I pick C

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« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2002, 01:28:28 PM »
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 I am sure it happened during war, though was not any common practice.


I don't think you will be able to find one reference for it.

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Really, aks yourself, how often you meet such behaviour (engine switching off in combat) in AH, and how much you think it affects your AH expirience. [/B]


I have seen it quite often recently.  

Certain aspects of AH are more 'gamey' than others for good reason, but this goes right to the ACM heart of the game which should emphasize realistic tactics.

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« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2002, 02:45:13 PM »
I don't think you will be able to find one reference for it.

I could not, or it would be here already :) I can't even swear that I read this, though I thought I did. Someone mentioned that Bong switched p38 engine in fight just resently, you can search forums and ask this person for a source.

I have seen it quite often recently.

We fly the different games probably. I saw it couple times in last 6 month.

What is most ironic, that this thread actually will increase the behaviour it fights against, not decrease it. Many people will try this "silver bullet", thinking it will give them a real advantage in fight. They soon will realize, that they keep dieing as often as before though, if not more often, so it will calm down shortly.

Certain aspects of AH are more 'gamey' than others for good reason, but this goes right to the ACM heart of the game which should emphasize realistic tactics.

95% of AH pilots flying with auto trim switched on (more or less, but around it). Auto trim is arcadish, and not realistic, because you can't manage the trims the way computer do (you can better, or you can worse, but the reason why it was added is because people who can do it better are few). You think something like turning engine off in fight by 0.1%(more or less, but around it) of player is more threat to the "heart of ACM"? :)

Again, I am fullheartly for a realistic engine management, though lot more things are higher in my list, like better dammage model. (You know that you can sink CV in AH by .303s only?) I also want the ballance between realism and game to be here, or it can be no fun eventually. I do not want to push 7 buttons to start la7 wep, as it was in a real life.

This subjects could be more effective, if put with good arguments to the gameplay forum. It worked before. In contrast going to general not often helps. The more pushy you try to do it, the less are chances HTC will do it. They are people also, as all of us they do not like to be pushed.

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« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2002, 03:24:46 PM »
Y?

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« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2002, 03:43:15 PM »
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95% of AH pilots flying with auto trim switched on (more or less, but around it). Auto trim is arcadish, and not realistic, because you can't manage the trims the way computer do (you can better, or you can worse, but the reason why it was added is because people who can do it better are few). You think something like turning engine off in fight by 0.1%(more or less, but around it) of player is more threat to the "heart of ACM"? :)


Do those players that are overmodeled already need another way of improving their tactics by beeing able to turn the engine off? Seems unfair compared to those who fly worse - and can't get a benefit from turning the engine off.

If it was possible IRL, leave it. If not, change it. Real engine management would probably the biggest fun.

PS: Though it will surely make answering the channel 2 questions "how do I start my engine" more complicated :D

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« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2002, 03:51:34 PM »
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If it was possible IRL, leave it. If not, change it.


It is a very questionable criteria. :) Implement it with zeal, and AH will last couple more days, not longer.

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« Reply #72 on: October 21, 2002, 10:57:38 AM »
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There is no way high performance piston engines can be re-lit at will after an inflight shutdown. (especially PW R2800's - they barely start when babied :))


Not true

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« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2002, 11:24:21 AM »
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Not true


Yes it is.

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« Reply #74 on: October 21, 2002, 11:29:46 AM »
A: For it.