Author Topic: F***ing Chechens (Read 1241 times)

Staga · « **Reply #30 on:** October 24, 2002, 05:26:36 PM »

Soviet one thing: Several years ago when some whacko was killing tourists in the U.S do you think the victim's relatives cursed "F****ing Americans" or "F****ing murderer" ?

Innominate · « **Reply #31 on:** October 24, 2002, 05:40:19 PM »

Al Qaeda and Chechen rebels are known to have trained together. Both are terrorist groups, Russia deserves support on that front. Telling them to lay off of the Chechen rebels is hipocritical.

I don't care who you are, or what you're fighting for. If you are bombing civilians, you're not a freedom fighter, you're not a "rebel", you're a terrorist. If these groups would stick to military targets, THEN they can claim to be freedom fighters or whatever they want to be called. Bombing civilians is cowardly, and counterproductive. Even allowing it to work is just asking for even more.

Now there are people who say things like, "What do you expect? There is no way these guys would have a chance standing up to country X's military!". The same was said about the british army being unbeatable some 225 years ago.

Oh an on a side note, F*** the people who think that these poor innocent persecuted terrorists should be dealt with peacefullly. Maybe we should give them all a time-out.

Nashwan · « **Reply #32 on:** October 24, 2002, 06:13:14 PM »

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In WW2 we bombed German cities killing innocent german civilians. It was necassary to win the war. Same with civilians today. Israel may kill innocent palistinians. Russia innocent Chechens (although i don't consider any chechen innocent).... It's a part of war you have to accept.

Once you've won the war, you have to help your enemies reform, or you will have to fight another war with them, and another, and another.

If, once you've won, you see it as a chance to enrich yourself at your beaten enemy's expense, you're going to have another war again soon.

It's something the Israelis don't understand. Here's hoping the Russians will, once they have done what's necessary.

funkedup · « **Reply #33 on:** October 24, 2002, 06:20:47 PM »

Islam is a religion of peace.

Soviet · « **Reply #34 on:** October 24, 2002, 07:12:47 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
Islam is a religion of peace.

Some say it is, i'm not sure. All i know is extremists stain it's name.

Makes me think of becoming atheist (currently Roman Catholic). All religion seems to do is start wars and violence these days. Particularly islam. Don't get me wrong, Christianity has had it's fair share (crusades, inquisitions...) but Christianity has moved on. Islam is still back in the 13th century.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** October 24, 2002, 07:22:27 PM »

Any real Russian government would have allready blown up the building, declared the hostages heroic martyrs of the motherland and sent the nukes flying...

And I thought Putin was tough guy...

J_A_B · « **Reply #36 on:** October 24, 2002, 07:23:34 PM »

Well you see Christianity had a 600-year head start over the Muslims

Seriously, I hope those scumbags get what's comming to them.

J_A_B

Nashwan · « **Reply #37 on:** October 24, 2002, 07:39:31 PM »

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Islam is a religion of peace.

In 1972, the IRA set off three bombs in the village of Claudy in Northern Ireland.

The first car bomb was placed in the centre of the village, the other two at either end, timed to exploded as people fled th first bomb.

9 people died, mainly pensioners and children.

The bombing was carried out by an IRA gang lead by a serving Catholic priest.

2000 people were murdered by terrorist groups intent on establishing a Catholic state. Another 1000 were murdered by terrorist groups intent on maintaining a Protestant state.

Most priests allowed terrorists to be buried in their churchyards with full "military" honours, complete with other terrorists firing salutes over the coffins, and "politicians" justifying the actions of the thug being buried.

Is Christianity a religon of peace?

I'd still say yes, and Islam as well.

rogwar · « **Reply #38 on:** October 24, 2002, 08:23:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
The link shows typical Western view on the problem. Not a single word about Russian refugees from Chechnya in 1991-94, nothing about the criminal withdrawal of Soviet/Russian troops when all the stocks were left for Dudayev's gangs... Just "What every American must know about elephants".

BTW, look at this: http://www.kavkaztop.com/eng/

It's a terrorist propaganda site, must be interesting for you.

Thanks for pointing out other views. As with all events it's best to review a variety of sources.

Our prayers go out to the captive Russian people and their families, as well as all the others held.

easymo · « **Reply #39 on:** October 24, 2002, 09:16:03 PM »

Aren't these Russians the same folks that are dragging there feet (along with the French, of course) on Bush trying to get rid of saddam. I guess it depends on whos ox is getting gored.

Also I seem to remember that we gave these guys a hand in WW2. They expressed there gratitude with 40 years of cold (some times, not so cold) war. Personally, I think they need to sort out their own problems. We got troubles of our own.

MrOrange · « **Reply #40 on:** October 24, 2002, 09:33:25 PM »

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Aren't these Russians the same folks that are dragging there feet (along with the French, of course) on Bush trying to get rid of saddam. I guess it depends on whos ox is getting gored.

Well it's not that they don't want us to act unilaterally because they are as some think the peace loving peoples of the world and the U.S. is evil warmongers.

It's just that in politics and business nothing is for free when they see the U.S. eyeballing iraq like it's a big ol' pie ready for the taking they want to make sure they get their fair share too. Heck we do the same thing, it's the nature of the beast.

Wotan · « **Reply #41 on:** October 24, 2002, 10:47:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan

In 1972, the IRA set off three bombs in the village of Claudy in Northern Ireland.

The first car bomb was placed in the centre of the village, the other two at either end, timed to exploded as people fled th first bomb.

9 people died, mainly pensioners and children.

The bombing was carried out by an IRA gang lead by a serving Catholic priest.

2000 people were murdered by terrorist groups intent on establishing a Catholic state. Another 1000 were murdered by terrorist groups intent on maintaining a Protestant state.

Most priests allowed terrorists to be buried in their churchyards with full "military" honours, complete with other terrorists firing salutes over the coffins, and "politicians" justifying the actions of the thug being buried.

Is Christianity a religon of peace?

I'd still say yes, and Islam as well.

How many Irish did the Brits murder, rob, rape and humiliate over the centuries?

Kick a dog long enough you will get bit. Dont blame the dog.

The Irish never wanted to take over England or the world. They just want you brits to get the hell out their land.

Islam has much greater plans and is a far more of a danger to the world in general the the IRA ever was.

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Why do you hate the British, because the British makes us hate them.

Protestants use terror themselves to hold on.

The IRA is no where in the same same leagues as the Chechens or any of the Islamic terrorist organization.

Yeager · « **Reply #42 on:** October 24, 2002, 11:35:01 PM »

Im really beginning to dislike muslim militant fanatics.

Sandman · « **Reply #43 on:** October 24, 2002, 11:37:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Im really beginning to dislike muslim militant fanatics.

I pretty much dislike all militant fanatics.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #44 on:** October 25, 2002, 12:36:19 AM »

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How many Irish did the Brits murder, rob, rape and humiliate over the centuries?

Kick a dog long enough you will get bit. Dont blame the dog.

That's ok then! So why should 12 year old kids, blown to smithereens by a bomb in Warrington less than 10 years ago be responsible for acts perpetrated 300 years ago. Why should men, women and children blown into lots of little pieces by the Omagh bomb (killed 38) be held responsible for acts committed before they were even conceived?

By your logic, the WTC victims deserved to die because of what Western civilisation did a 1000 years ago in the crusades.

Your argument doesn't hold water in the slightest and excusing the actions of a pack of animals (on both sides of the paramilitary equation) is disgusting.

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The Irish never wanted to take over England or the world. They just want you brits to get the hell out their land...

Typical, the ignorant yank pretending to be a great authority on a subject he knows very little about. Get this - NI is hugely complex problem, and the issues contained therein cannot be summed up in some glib one line comment. For a start, a huge proportion of the NI population wants to stay part of the UK - it's not some Braveheart "Get orf my land you evil English" scenario. I'm sure you want to believe that - hell, so many of your compatriots gave so generously in the past based on that concept alone, and I'm sure they'd be ready with their check-books as soon as the IRA takes up arms again.