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« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2002, 01:03:41 AM »
Even us ignorant colonist have heard of Cromwell.  And his nasty habit of executing Irishmen by the thousands. Then there was that business of locking up that stadium.  And machine gunning the spectators.  Not so long ago really.

  What ever else we Americans did in Vietnam.  At least we had the grace to get off the other fellows land, when the time came.

  Give Ireland back to the Irish.

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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2002, 02:35:21 AM »
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How many Irish did the Brits murder, rob, rape and humiliate over the centuries?

How many Brits did the Irish murder, rob, enslave etc over the centuries?

Hint, St Patrick wasn't born in Ireland, he was captured by a slave raiding party.

How many Chechens did the Russians kill in the last few centuries?

How many Palestinians did the Israelis kill in the last few decades?

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The Irish never wanted to take over England or the world. They just want you brits to get the hell out their land.

The Chechens just want the Russians off their land. The Palestinians just want the Israelis off their land.

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Give Ireland back to the Irish.

It was given back, in 1922. A large segment of the population didn't want to leave Britain, so the land was split up, with those wanting to leave getting the lions share, those wanting to stay getting a smaller area.

Both sides got what they wanted, unfourtunately, a small group can't bear the thought of compromise, and want everything for themselves.
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« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2002, 03:12:57 AM »
What Nashwan said.

So that's Wotan and Easymo down as being terrorist sympathisers, right?

Because that's what giving NI 'back to the Irish' (whatever the hell that means, given the actual demographics of the place) means in real terms.

You'd be going against the wishes of a historically significant proportion of the population, based on the terrorist actions of a tiny minority.

Devolved, de-centralised power is the only way forward, something which the British government instigated 4 years ago and has only recently been scuppered because Sinn Fein had an IRA spy in Stormont, passing secrets to the organisation.

As for previous actions of the British government - they were shameful, but I fail to see how killing innocent women and children who weren't even born when the atrocities occured is justified or indeed defensible.

You might as well be saying the WTC victims deserved it because most of them were US citizens.

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« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2002, 04:37:57 AM »
Wotan old pal, you absolutely sure of what you're talking about?


Ever been to Northern Ireland?  Ever actually asked one of the residents what *he* wants?

Try it, ya might be surprised at the results.

Know what would happen if the Brits pulled out completely?  Anarchy, that's what.  Catholic and Protestant battles over a 300 year old grudge and modern intollerance of another religion......which, IMO, is absolute bollocks anyway.  Why on earth should 2 people hate each other cos they're part of different religions.  Go figure.

Anyway, thats the point.  In Northern Ireland you'll find a huge majority that want to be part of Great Britain.  It's always really pissed me off when I see Yanks saying "Brits get out of Ireland", doesnt matter what the Northern Irish actually want then?


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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2002, 05:11:48 AM »
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Why on earth should 2 people hate each other cos they're part of different religions.  Go figure.


That's really what all religions are based on.  "Do what we say, and you'll come out ahead of everyone else".

It looks like the chechens let the children go.

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« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2002, 06:02:15 AM »
Nashwan compared the IRA to Islam as a whole. He he also made a comparison between Christianity and the Islam. Terrorism that comes from Islam is directed at the entire world. What comes out of Ireland is directed at you Brits for being Bastards going back a long time.

Thats the point of my last post.

Sympathize with terrorists? ok what ever but lots of folks "sympathize" with the Irish. After all, they have been a great part of America.

Dowding, don't go stretching the truth as if I said the victims of the IRA asked for it. It was your government and its policy toward the Irish over the centuries that lead to their Hatred.

Your government created the conditions in which this type of hatred festered. Don't cry foul when the dog bites you.

As for you Brits who keep trying to equate the IRA with Islamic terrorists that is nothing but roadkill and you know it.

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By your logic, the WTC victims deserved to die because of what Western civilization did a 1000 years ago in the crusades.


Hardly, but its your twisted logic that lumps what happened at the WTC (and other acts of violence by Islam) and claim its is equal to whatever the IRA has done.  You also never mention loyalist violence.

The IRA don't threaten me or the world.

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How many Brits did the Irish murder, rob, enslave etc over the centuries?


The Irish never invaded your island, in stilled themselves as lords and masters and killed you when you resisted.

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How many Palestinians did the Israelis kill in the last few decades?


I would support an independent Palestine. The Isrealis have killed far more of them then the other way around.

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How many Chechens did the Russians kill in the last few centuries?


A fundamentalist  Chechnia would be a huge threat to the region. We would end up with a bunch of Afghanistans from which the real terrorists would strike out at the world.

I hope the Russians crush them.

None of your comparisons hold water.



Swoop are you replying to my post or to what Dowding or Nashwan said??

Because there is very little in your post that relates to anything in my previous reply.

My post was in reference to Nashwan who tried to equate IRA violence with the violence of radical Islam. The threat of fundamentalist Islam is far greater and effects way more people. The IRA are a regional threat.

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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2002, 06:41:33 AM »
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What comes out of Ireland is directed at you Brits for being Bastards going back a long time.


Oh of course! It's all my fault! Me personally! I was born in 1978 and am supposed to be held responsible for every atrocity from Bloody Sunday to the Battle of the Boyne!?

Thanks Wotan, for pointing that out, mate. If I ever am ever unfortunate enough to be maimed by a paramilitary bomb, as I lie there bleeding to death trying to work out where my legs have gone, I'll just have to remember that I'm British and therefore guilty of every atrocity ever committed by my ancestors. Thanks!

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Your government created the conditions in which this type of hatred festered. Don't cry foul when the dog bites you.


There you go again. So by your twisted logic we have to put up with the crap the IRA and their ever so heroic pals did over the last 30 years? In your eyes, we should just sit back and suck it up.

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Hardly, but its your twisted logic that lumps what happened at the WTC (and other acts of violence by Islam) and claim its is equal to whatever the IRA has done.  


They are exactly the same in nature. Crimes of hate born out of perceived injustice.

BTW Islam didn't commit the WTC attacks etc, in the same way Christianity didn't plant the Omagh bomb. Their followers did. Moreover, people of the organisation that planted the Omagh bomb were given free passage in the US for over 2 years.

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You also never mention loyalist violence.


You started this by displaying your ignorance of the whole situation, in an attack on British policy in Northern Ireland and stating it gave rise to Britain-hating mentalists. You want to discuss Loyalism, where do you want to start? I would have thought they might have told a few things at that British Nationalist Party 'lecture' you attended.

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The IRA don't threaten me or the world.

The IRA are a regional threat.



I beg to differ and your own government disagrees with you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1505020.stm

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The Irish never invaded your island, in stilled themselves as lords and masters and killed you when you resisted.


Yet again, you really ought to check your facts. Irish mercenaries served with just about every Scottish army that invaded England.

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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2002, 06:50:12 AM »
Islam is not a religion of peace..its a cult of violence.  Just ask the Armenians, Greeks, Serbs, Indians and the many millions of poor souls that have been butchered since Mohammed left Arabia and spread his cult.  People that say Islam is peaceful are ignorant.  Go to the library and do some reading-stop repeating CNN Sound-Bites.

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« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2002, 07:08:02 AM »
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I pretty much dislike all militant fanatics. :)


Yea !! down with Wellstone....  oh wait I thought you said minnesota fanatics ;-0

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« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2002, 07:10:40 AM »
Wotan,

merely trying to let you know what the modern situation in Ireland actually is.

Forget the past, what's happening right now is that the British are keeping the Catholics and Protestants from murdering each other, putting up with IRA attacks and, worse still, people who are ignorant of the situation telling us that we should get out of Ireland.  If we do, it'll be a warzone.  It's really that simple.  Read some of the reports of the stoning of children that happend last year.  And I dont really know another way of saying this again asside from in block capitals so please forgive me:

THE MAJORITY OF NORTHERN IRISH *WANT* TO BE A PART OF GREAT BRITAIN.

So quit tellin us to get out of Ireland, it'd be like us telling you to get out of Hawaii cos you're a foreign invader and shouldnt damn well be there.  The Irish want us there, well most of them anyway, cos they know what'll happen to them if we left.

Now as for comparing the IRA with Islamic fundamentalists.....well you cant really, but you *can* compare terrorists and terrorists.  

When the bomb goes off you dont give a crap who planted it or what they want, you just want to get the blood off you.  


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« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2002, 09:34:21 AM »
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Nashwan compared the IRA to Islam as a whole.

No, I didn't.

I was responding to the ironic comment "Islam is a religon of peace"

I was merely pointing out that a lot of atrocities have been carried out, recently, in the name of Christianity, both catholic and protestant varieties, and pointing out that doesn't stop Christianity being a religion of peace.

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He he also made a comparison between Christianity and the Islam. Terrorism that comes from Islam is directed at the entire world. What comes out of Ireland is directed at you Brits for being Bastards going back a long time.

No, most Islamic terrorism is directed against people they think are oppressing Muslims, be it the West for supporting Israel, the Russians for not giving in to the Chechens, etc.

Just like NI, religon is one of the focus points, not the underlying cause.

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Your government created the conditions in which this type of hatred festered. Don't cry foul when the dog bites you.

So Israelis can't cry foul when a bomb goes off? Americans can't cry foul for the WTC, because it's America that enables Israel to oppress the Palestinians.

At least the Muslims have a current grievance, rather than the Irish who base their terrorism on events that finished 80 years ago.

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Hardly, but its your twisted logic that lumps what happened at the WTC (and other acts of violence by Islam) and claim its is equal to whatever the IRA has done. You also never mention loyalist violence.

I mentioned Loyalist violence.

The WTC and what the IRA have done ARE equal. Not in scale, not in methods, but in the effect they have on peoples lives.

It doesn't really matter to the relatives wether their loved ones were killed when a plane was flown into a building, or when a car bomb exploded outside a shop.

In levels of ruthlesness, and contempt for human life, the IRA are every bit a match for Islamic terrorists.

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The IRA don't threaten me or the world.

Ah, that's the difference.

Muslim terrorists are evil because they threaten America, Irish terrorists aren't because they threaten Britain.

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The Irish never invaded your island, in stilled themselves as lords and masters and killed you when you resisted.

Yes they did.

The Irish used to raid western Britain even during the Roman times. After the Romans left, they invaded many times, often in concert with the Picts and Saxons. They set up Kingdoms in Wales and Cornwall and Scotland.

All of Europe has a history of wars with their neighbours. What's remarkable about the Irish isn't what happened to them, most populations of conquered kingdoms were treated much worse, it's that they still bear grudges for events that happened hundreds of years ago.

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My post was in reference to Nashwan who tried to equate IRA violence with the violence of radical Islam.


No, I tried to equate terrorism with terrorism, and to point out that Islam is no more, and no less, a religon of terrorism than Catholicism is.

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« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2002, 09:47:40 AM »
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Islam is not a religion of peace..its a cult of violence.  Just ask the Armenians, Greeks, Serbs, Indians and the many millions of poor souls that have been butchered since Mohammed left Arabia and spread his cult.  People that say Islam is peaceful are ignorant.  Go to the library and do some reading-stop repeating CNN Sound-Bites.


LOL ...


Every cult - like christians, jewish, islamic or whatever has been abused i history for crimes.

Just look how many people were killed in the name of Jesus Christ.

If you are consequent you have to blame every religion as a stupid cult.


But religions are useful.

Most people cant live with the thought that their existence will end one day with their death. So they hope for something after death. Like a paradise or whatelse.

And by believing these things they manage to live on - so I think religions - without any exception - are doing a good job.
They give hope and also an ethical moral codex.

The problem is that every religion was abused by fanatics in history.

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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2002, 11:11:35 AM »
Your a moron babek...when Mohamed emerged from arabia how do you think he converted so many people so fast?  You got a choice-your head or convert.  Simple as that.  I never saw Jesus leading an Army intent on conquering the world.  Ya-a lot of people have died in the name of Jesus.  I say a lot more would have died if IT WASN"T FOR CHRISTIANTY IN THE WEST.  I have traveled extensivly in the Moslem world so believe me when I say that there is a fundamental lack of respect for all living things in the moslem world.  Islam is a violent cult with over 1 billion strong.  The world would have been a much better place if Mohammed and his army would have been extinguished before they ever left arabia.....
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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2002, 11:16:47 AM »
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Originally posted by 28sweep
Islam is not a religion of peace..its a cult of violence.  Just ask the Armenians, Greeks, Serbs, Indians and the many millions of poor souls that have been butchered since Mohammed left Arabia and spread his cult.  People that say Islam is peaceful are ignorant.  Go to the library and do some reading-stop repeating CNN Sound-Bites.


Sad, another near-illiterate that insists on proving that he knows as much about Islam as he does about the interior of a library...

Which of course is virtually nothing. It's a shame that after 9/11 the few deranged xenophobists that saw the Islam (and every other non-western religion/culture/movement for that matter) as a threat have been joined by many more simpletons who've never even laid eyes on a koran, let alone studied it enough to judge the contents.

How many muslims do you know? How often have you discussed the nature of true Islam with them or other people with proper knowledge?

Ignorant people like you, who are always quick to judge and are driven by their prejudices rather than knowledge of facts, are the cause of 95% of problems in this world, and that's a very conservative estimation...

EDIT: BTW Don't you think your sig should have stated: 'Too Lazy to Read, Too stupid to Learn'??  
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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2002, 11:21:38 AM »
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Your a moron babek...when Mohamed emerged from arabia how do you think he converted so many people so fast? You got a choice-your head or convert. Simple as that. I never saw Jesus leading an Army intent on conquering the world. Ya-a lot of people have died in the name of Jesus. I say a lot more would have died if IT WASN"T FOR CHRISTIANTY IN THE WEST. I have traveled extensivly in the Moslem world so believe me when I say that there is a fundamental lack of respect for all living things in the moslem world.Go to Egypt and watch as they whip and beat donkeys until they are worked to death in the streets. Go to a poor Christan country and you will not find find this. Islam is a violent cult with over 1 billion strong. The world would have been a much better place if Mohammed and his army would have been extinguished before he ever left arabia.....


Thats total and utter roadkill.

So what would you do?

Convert them?  To what?