Author Topic: Sniper update:Weapon found (Read 1022 times)

MrCoffee · « **Reply #45 on:** October 25, 2002, 06:27:47 PM »

Thats cause they are sneaky crazed lunatics underneath it all or have these tendancies at least. Normal sane people dont have the desire to attack strangers or random people. I agree with what you said.

Fatty · « **Reply #46 on:** October 25, 2002, 06:51:09 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS

The threat of punishment does not deter the criminal mind no matter the penalty. Despite our having a death penalty, it did not deter these two allegedly 'sniping' all these innocent people. At that level of crime, be it life in prison (without the possibility of parole), or death, there will always be those that feel they will not get caught and punished. The world's jails are full of criminals that thought they wouldn't get caught. LOL, I'd like to know any criminal that knew they'd get caught before they commited their crime. Death penalty as a deterent? Naw, I don't buy it.
I can just imagine the inner workings of the criminal mind:
"If I murder all those people, I'll get the death penalty. Oops, I better not do it."
"If I murder all those people, I'll get life in prison without the possibilty of parole. Is that all? Gee, I guess I'll go murder them then."
The jails are full of those that thought they wouldn't get caught no matter the penalty.
I can bet that if all those criminals KNEW that they'd get caught regardless of the punishment, the jails would be empty.
Financially it will cost us taxpayers more money to put them to death (if found guilty), rather than let them rot in jail for the rest of their lives.

That's the most oft quoted and rediculous argument against the death penalty I've heard. You might as well phrase it to reflect the sampling pool, which is:

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100% of people that were not deterred by the threat of punishment were not deterred by the threat of punishment.

Now, if you really believed what you said you would take the stance that if there were no law enforcement crime rates would not rise (discounting repeat offenders).

john9001 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 25, 2002, 06:54:49 PM »

they will not be 'killed in prison" they will be protected by the muslim prison gangs , they will be heros to the muslims

SaburoS · « **Reply #48 on:** October 26, 2002, 12:09:13 AM »

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Now, if you really believed what you said you would take the stance that if there were no law enforcement crime rates would not rise (discounting repeat offenders).

Maybe you should re-read what I really said. Take your time.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #49 on:** October 26, 2002, 12:29:06 AM »

I read it... and he got it right.

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The threat of punishment does not deter the criminal mind no matter the penalty.

The threat of punishment deters most criminal minds. Without the threat, they would run rampant.

I believe what you meant to say (but didn't) was that the threat of punishment does not deter SOME criminal minds.

One implies that punishment serves no role in deterance... the other implies that punishment is not a deterent for only the worst case examples.

AKDejaVu

SaburoS · « **Reply #50 on:** October 26, 2002, 01:21:00 AM »

What I meant to say was exactly what I said. At no point did I say that we should do away with law enforcement or the prosecution of criminals. The criminals that now face the death penalty for a capital crime were not detered because of the threat of a death penalty. Had they known that they would have gotten caught, they wouldn't have committed the crime even if it meant only that they would spend the rest of their natural life behind bars. I seriously doubt that having a death penalty deters capital crime. Seems some think that if there is no death penalty that somehow spending the rest of one's life behind bars (without the possibility of parole) is actually ok and that they will commit the capital crime only because the death penalty isn't practiced. Again, the jails are full of criminals that thought they wouldn't get caught.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #51 on:** October 26, 2002, 09:01:32 AM »

You are simply talking in circles and totally missing the point.

No use even bothering with you.

AKDejaVu

lazs2 · « **Reply #52 on:** October 26, 2002, 10:00:37 AM »

I don't know about deterent but I've seen only a very few that didn't fight a death sentance to the end. Still ... It is a deterent. It deters that criminal from ever causing me or anyone else grief ever again. They are insane. I don't torture insane people... or anyone else for that matter. I have no problem with executing vicious and violently insane people tho... It is a mercy to everyone including them.

Better luck in the next life I say.
lazs

SaburoS · « **Reply #53 on:** October 27, 2002, 12:45:47 AM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
You are simply talking in circles and totally missing the point.

No use even bothering with you.

AKDejaVu

...and you're missing mine. We'll leave it at that I guess.

SaburoS · « **Reply #54 on:** October 27, 2002, 12:59:41 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't know about deterent but I've seen only a very few that didn't fight a death sentance to the end. Still ... It is a deterent. It deters that criminal from ever causing me or anyone else grief ever again. They are insane. I don't torture insane people... or anyone else for that matter. I have no problem with executing vicious and violently insane people tho... It is a mercy to everyone including them.

Better luck in the next life I say.
lazs

Sure...AFTER they're caught. BTW a prisoner serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole can't cause anyone harm either. I just think it is better to keep em alive in case we got the wrong guy convicted as one can't undo death. Again, it is the threat of getting caught that is the deterent. If they think they will get caught doing the crime, they won't do it. If they think they will get away with their crime they will do it. These 'snipers' that are in custody knew full well what they were doing would give them a death sentence if caught. Know what? they murdered anyway. Why? CAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY'D GET CAUGHT! The threat of a death penalty makes no difference to these types of criminals. The punishment of a death penalty just makes us 'feel' more secure thinking it is a deterent. The normal mind and the criminal mind do not think the same.

I'll ask you pro-death penalty people a simple question:
Would you kill someone if the maximum penalty would be life behind bars without the possibilty of parole?
How about under the threat of lethal injection?
Do you honestly believe it makes a difference?
If so, how does it?

Creamo · « **Reply #55 on:** October 27, 2002, 01:16:35 AM »

How much per check are you willing to contribute to keep them alive?

$10...$100...$500.

You tell me the diffrence instead.

SaburoS · « **Reply #56 on:** October 27, 2002, 01:50:46 AM »

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How much per check are you willing to contribute to keep them alive?

$10...$100...$500.

You tell me the diffrence instead.

Right now it costs us taxpayers more to execute them. How dare you libs try to spend more of my tax dollars.

Creamo · « **Reply #57 on:** October 27, 2002, 01:08:03 AM »

That's actually true, damn trial costs.

Can't I just volunteer to shoot them anyway for free (minus the free lunch and union break?) and offset the final incidentals a little bit?

Creamo · « **Reply #58 on:** October 27, 2002, 01:16:05 AM »

Actually, even if the trial is expensive for capitol cases, it's a set expense.

Would not housing them for the next 40 years not be more expensive then giving them the black needle? Unless you just don't go for the death penalty at all I guess.

In that case, making them chain gang and make big rocks into gravel without the expensive capitol case would certainly suffice.

See, you made me not want to have them shot at a shooting range for Army round testing, nor chased by lions at the Super Bowl halftime.

qts · « **Reply #59 on:** October 27, 2002, 01:43:20 AM »

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The punishment of a death penalty just makes us 'feel' more secure thinking it is a deterent.

That is not the purpose of a death penalty, which is to remove from society someone that society can no longer allow to tolerate.

I'm against the death penalty - it's impossible to apologise to a dead man - and anyway, life in solitary confinement seems much harsher.

But what I really feel is missing in the criminal justice system is the old-fashioned concept of humiliation at the 'petty' end. Put them in the stocks in the mall at the weekend and let everyone ridicule them.