The Fight for Japan - ( formerly Korean War Setup) 25 Oct 02

[jarbo]

Excellent points squire.  This setup does better match a U.S. vs Russia fight over Japan.  I will re-label the Title.  I was going primarily for a late war match-up Russian vs U.S./Brit and trying to add a plausible storyline.  Yours is much more plausable for the given setup.

Shane good point on the B26, the site I visited that listed in in action was likely referring to the A26.  I'll throw in the A-20 as a supplement, but will leave the B26.

I also left off the panzer by accident and will add it.

Eskimo, im not gonna add the Chog as the allies have a good variety to employ agains the russians.  I would rather expand the russian planeset.

As for adding the F4Us to the land bases, they have a distinct advantage as only CV based plane in arena IMHO.

Jarbo

[Shane]

maybe the D9 can represent a later model yak or la or captured german stuff?  or something?  to keep the luftweenies happy. we all know they're quite used to flying something with their eyes closed and pretending it's something else anyway.



it'll be interesting to see how the la7 stacks up against the perkies... altho' i'm sure most will opt for the 262 - blehhhhh.

oh and JAB was right, the russkies lack a truly usable bomber... by this time they were already underway in copying the b29...

perhaps some lend lease a20's or b26's? ju88's?

and for this timeframe of war, you'd definitely need f6f's and tbms...  altho' the f8f would have been in service.  

personally i find the korean setup more believable, due to russia and china basically giving the NK some second hand stuff and only allowing, at first, very limited amounts of mig's in NK hands, driven by russian and chinese pilots. but it's only semantics.

[Löwe]

Originally posted by Shane

still looking, but some other intersting sites... seems the f6f-5 and tmb-3 were there as welL

Shane, I'm almost certain all the F6F's  in Korea were F6F3K drones, filled with explosives. Kind of an early smart bomb guided to target by a A4D Sky Raider. However I could be wrong it's not a rare occurance.

Hey Jarbo this one will be very interesting.

[Wilbus]

we all know they're quite used to flying something with their eyes closed and pretending it's something else anyway

Uhmm, is this an insult to LW or has Shane started to understand what some LW whine about?

[Shane]

Originally posted by Löwe
Shane, I'm almost certain all the F6F's  in Korea were F6F3K drones, filled with explosives. Kind of an early smart bomb guided to target by a A4D Sky Raider. However I could be wrong it's not a rare occurance.
Hey Jarbo this one will be very interesting.

yep, by that time the f8f and improved corsairs were on the job, with the f6f's being regelated to reserve.

but maybe with the f6f's in the planeset as kami-drones, we can pull in some of the bish from MA.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by jarbo

Eskimo, im not gonna add the Chog as the allies have a good variety to employ agains the russians.  I would rather expand the russian planeset.
Jarbo

Its still a hog though, just a variant.  Since the actual Corsairs used in Korea had a combination of the best features of the 1C and the U-4, I think its a fair option.  The F4U-5 had both the 20mms and 2800 HP.  Players should be able to choose,
Do you want the Hispanos, or do you want the extra 800 HP.  Either choice leaves you with less of a plane than the actual Korean War participant.

From the N. korean perspective, they are still fighting Corsairs, one is fast with decent guns, one is slower with nastier guns.

eskimo

[Slash27]

I thought I had read that the F8F Bearcat never saw combat as a U.S. fighter?  Anyone knowfor sure either way?

p.s.  i wouldnt mind the C-Hog:D

[Yeager]

Kudos to the CT staff for thinking out of the box, so to speak.

However, LA-7s, Yak-9s and 262s are pretty domineering against anything offered up by the allies.  Of course alt is the tie breaker but in my short time online tonight I managed one sortie to 18k but was bounced by 262s which drove me down low only to be pounced by PNZR.

Will try again tomorrow night, most likely as N. Korean but will likely pass after that until Mig15s and F86s make their entrance.



Nice work and I suspect many will find comfort in this Plane Set.

Until then,

[Jester]

The F8F Bearcat was on the way out by Korea, only serving in some reserve units. The F4U CORSAIR was the main prop bird with the Jet F9F Panthers in service as front line fighters.

The A-20 should have been given to the Communist side as a good represenitive of the Soviet made bombers in N. Korean service.

Don't recall ever reading about the N. Koreans fielding any LA-7's, all they had were the YAK-9's & MIG-15's for fighters.

Lastly my gripe is with the ack settings in here. I got a wing taken off at over 10K as I passed over a field. Seems the N. Korean's managed to get ahold of a few SA-2 GUIDELINES for their fields from the Ruskies.  

Major Jester, XO
325th FG, "THE CHECKERTAILS"

[Shane]

Originally posted by Yeager
Kudos to the CT staff for thinking out of the box, so to speak.

However, LA-7s, Yak-9s and 262s are pretty domineering against anything offered up by the allies.  

i gotta disagree... at the time you were on it was more a #'s issue, imho, axis had 2:1 over allies... that's difficult in any setup.

however, i've flown both sides on and off today, and umm well managed to whack anything that wasn't green... except for the 262's which i could pretty much ignore.  i think the la7 and yaks match up nice vs the "perkies"... however the perkies *should* also pretty much come out on the better end of an egagement...

YMMV...

it's a tnb wetdream, really, fats planes, fairly evenly matched, no one can run, and you can pretty much ignore 262's unless they're everywhere.  honestly, the 262 is pretty useless as it's flown, it really can tnb to an extent in this setup.

it has been interesting to see how the la7 is stacking up vs the perkies.

[Squire]

The F8F was intended as a short range "dash" interceptor to counter Kamikazes that would come as the Allies closed around the home islands of Japan. It was phased out after the war (no need for it).

It never fired its guns in combat in WW2 or Korea. The F4U could carry a bigger load and with a longer range, as did the A-1 Skyraider.

F6F was not used either, not as a fighter.

Btw the first "Jet vs Jet" kill in history was a USAF P-80 downing a MiG-15 in 1950.

Regards.

[Chanter]

Back in a week when this setup's over.

[oboe]

I'm with Chanter.     Thanks, but no thanks on this one.    I really think Target:Korea will satisfy all my Korean War curiosities when it comes out (and I can wait).    

I have a hard time with substitutions that are a stretch, and the Me262 as Mig-15 is waaaayyy yonder past what I can handle.

Doesn't mean I don't love you CT CMs, but I would much rather
see WWII air combat with the planes we actually have.   This one is just not for me.

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[Jester]

Like Oboe said.

Interesting setup and thanks for the effort CM's but would rather keep it in WW2. There are plenty of set-ups available on that subject with the planes we have.

Miska's idea on another post would have been much better.

for the effort.

Major Jester00, XO
325th FG, "THE CHECKERTAILS"

[hazed-]

Whats happened to the CT?


taken over by a bunch of people who obviously dont care about historical realism.

KOREA?? what a bunch of crap.

I used to like the CT but its got steadily worse with more and more gamey set ups.

At one time it was picking up with numbers but its back to the poor attendance and I think its because of dumb setups like this.

me262s are nothing like mig15s and thats reason enough to not do korea.