Author Topic: They just keep trying (Read 490 times)

Kanth · « **on:** October 25, 2002, 10:33:21 AM »

Now I guess they are hinting at sniper training by osmosis.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/1754601

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Before leaving the army, Muhammad was based at Fort Lewis in Tacoma, Washington state, home to a sniper school. He won a badge for expert marksmanship.

popeye · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2002, 11:11:20 AM »

Yer point?

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2002, 11:34:31 AM »

They continually try to hint at military sniper training.

Dunno why people think its bad. Eventually they are going to come to the realization that anyone with a hunting rifle and scope could have made the same shots... and watch the legislation roll.

AKDejaVu

Kanth · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:00:40 PM »

I guess my problem is that I just don't like being led or fed what to think and the news is becoming so bad in that respect.

It's so much harder for them to actually go out and get stories
instead of picking one story and surrounding it with fluff for a week so they won't have to actually do any other reporting.

it's discouraging.

even on the internet I go to 5 different news sources and they are all carrying the exact same stories. What is the point?

If they are going to be entertaining then at least have the sense to not release 5 movies about santa during christmas time..

If they are going to be informative and give the news straight then they need to quit with the speculation, implications and opinions and just spit out the story.

As far as this spawning further gun legislation, what hasn't?

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
They continually try to hint at military sniper training.

Dunno why people think its bad. Eventually they are going to come to the realization that anyone with a hunting rifle and scope could have made the same shots... and watch the legislation roll.

AKDejaVu

rogwar · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:05:30 PM »

The way the report it blows wind. Mr. So and so was an expert marksman.

He qualified "Expert". But then again you all knew that anyway.

Eagler · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:09:27 PM »

I think they are trying to make it out to be very difficult so every yahoo with a .22 and above doesn't start replacing their beercans with gas pumpin ppl...

It may not bode well for them to state the fact the nutbag would have had to been a legally blind retard to miss his targets with the setup he had...

wulfie · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:11:31 PM »

For what it's worth, 3 of 3 U.S. media transcripts that I have seen on the topic all specifically explain that (paraphrased by me) 'earning 'expert rifle' qualifications is not in the same league as being a sniper or a special forces soldier in terms of shooting ability and/or training'.

Maybe it's one case where the movie image isn't all bad. Most people who have seen a military sniper in a movie probably understand that the big deal (with regards to military snipers and shooting ability) is the ability to hit a small target, at great range, in difficult conditions, with great consistency.

Mike/wulfie

Kanth · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:15:35 PM »

But here's what I'm thinking then, are they trying to protect me by not telling me the truth or leading me to believe certain things?

Are they trying to prevent crime by withholding information?

Do they think that'll work?

I don't think calling him a no talent murdering handsomehunk would have encouraged others to do the same thing, but that's just me.

I never know what people will do next except the guidelines that good ol' murphey has put out.

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Originally posted by Eagler
I think they are trying to make it out to be very difficult so every yahoo with a .22 and above doesn't start replacing their beercans with gas pumpin ppl...

It may not bode well for them to state the fact the nutbag would have had to been a legally blind retard to miss his targets with the setup he had...

Kanth · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:20:56 PM »

That's good, I'm glad someone is attempting to at least be clear and honest.

some average wierdo killing people with a rifle imo is different than some highly trained special operative killer that somehow became loose and started attacking people..

I think the fact that he was hiding out in the trunk of a car and murdering people at random in a major city is enough to get people's attention without having to imply stuff that just isn't there.

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Originally posted by wulfie
For what it's worth, 3 of 3 U.S. media transcripts that I have seen on the topic all specifically explain that (paraphrased by me) 'earning 'expert rifle' qualifications is not in the same league as being a sniper or a special forces soldier in terms of shooting ability and/or training'.

Maybe it's one case where the movie image isn't all bad. Most people who have seen a military sniper in a movie probably understand that the big deal (with regards to military snipers and shooting ability) is the ability to hit a small target, at great range, in difficult conditions, with great consistency.

Mike/wulfie

Yeager · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:33:45 PM »

In the mundane US army, expert marksman rating is easily attainable. Its akin to being able to hit a 5' target at 600 yrds with open sites. No big deal xept most city kids goin in the army usually only have gang bang training with 9mms at 10 feet so qualifying marksman is a big deal when it isnt really if you know anything about shooting at all.

There is no sniper school at fort lewis. Typical brit press.

funkedup · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:39:11 PM »

Yeager the media probably saw the rifle range at Fort Lewis and decided it must be a sniper school.

I kind of like how they are defining sniper now though. Hell I'm a sniper now!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:50:05 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup

I kind of like how they are defining sniper now though. Hell I'm a sniper now!

Funked, I don't think they had "sniper" in mind as a guy who can make his man-pudding reach the nipples of his chest while jagging off....

funkedup · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:53:05 PM »

LMAO!!!!

I was thinking more of my ability to obliterate beer cans at extreme range with a .22.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:55:32 PM »

All this sniper talks got me wanting to go hunting in Montana, wish I'd bought an out-of-state license last year for this season, just picked up a remington 7mm with a Leopold scope.

Modas · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2002, 02:34:34 PM »

Qualifying expert with an m16 is not that big of a deal. A person I work with who is in reserves shoots at the expert level every time they have to requalify. The 5.56 round has an unbelievably flat trajectory. Point and shoot is basically what they said.

Every year just before deer season, I take my '06 out and cap off 30-40 rounds at 300 yards. I put 75% of them into an area a little bigger than a pie plate and shooting a '180 grain '06 round is like lobbing a softball compared to the 5.56 (.223). Granted, its with a scope, but the point being the news is making this guy sound like he is the greatest shot in the world cuz he qualified as "EXPERT" Big deal.

He is no where near SNIPER quality shooting at target 1500 meters and more away.

Did they ever conclude how far away he was when the shots were taken? I was heaing he was less than 200 meters. Unless he is shooting 300 meters or more, any lunatic with a rifle and a scope could make those shots.

I say give 'em to the families and let them take a few shots at him.