Author Topic: Every whine in the world... for losing. (Read 392 times)

Voss · « **on:** October 25, 2002, 04:34:39 PM »

"You only engage when I'm busy."

"You always have more alt."

"You always gang."

"You always fly a faster plane so you can run."

"You HO'd me with Hispano's."

"You had to use a perk plane to get me."

"You ran from a 1v1, after you killed my friend in a 2v1, only so it would be 3v1 in your favor.

"I died at ground level because you were at 19k!"

Formula for success, or just stupidity on the part of the enemy? You be the judge.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2002, 04:37:19 PM »

"GF interruptus..."

"The cat ran across my keyboard..."

"my system froze..."

"you warped just when I was saddled up..."

"cherry picker..."

"score potato..."

Heinkel · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2002, 04:46:28 PM »

Situation:

Log on, see XIII (a squadmate) is on. He says he is at 45, and about to fall asleep becuase a Temp (our beloved Voss) and P51 are BnZ'ing him from hi alt. So, i figured he could use a little help since he said he had low fuel, and needed to RTB very soon. Up a 109G-2 from A45. Grab some alt first, level at 7k, and head over to XIII. Turn out it's 2xP51s now, and still 1xTempest. So, just as I am getting there, they all kinda dive on him at once (the only way they are gonna have any hopes of getting a kill), he does evasives and starts to drag. So, i get on his 6, and the 2xP51s break, but i catch the tempest. I had lost UPD at the time, but I didn't notice anything too serious going wrong, so I kept fighting (if it's bad, i'll usually RTB).

So, D400 off the Temp landing random pings, mostly 7mm, the temp starts to turn fight. Since i'm a 109G-2..this would be an easy kill from me, as I was only d350 and gaining. Hear ping ping ping, look back and see the P51s shooting at me, so i break. The Tempest gets as far away from me as possible, and gets back up to his desired alt. of about 15k. While the Temp is grabbing, it's me Vs. 2xP51. One went vertical right away, and was dead right away, but this was a bad move on my part. In the vertical, the other p51 shot me up. Engine oil, right airelon, and an elevator out, and the Temp heading back to me, maintaining his hard deck of 15k. I figured i didn't have much of a chance, so I just took a HO on a p51, I missed horribly, and took even more damage. Both elevators gone, couldn't manevuer. Then here comes Voss Zooooommmmming down from 15k and kills me.

By this time, my squadie XIII had come back in a 262 chasing Voss. I Join XIII. XIII is about d2.0 off of Voss's Temp, when he just bails. Ohhhh nooooooo. That hit him where it hurts, in his score. As Voss is recaluclating his rank in his chute...XIII straffs him.

Voss, if you don't like people whining at you...change the way you fly. As it is now, you will get a lot of whines lol. When the only time you will fight, is when it's 3 vs 1 or more: expect whines. It's easy when you don't have to worry about SA, E management, ect....it's called what you do: only fighting when you have the odds.

BTW: I am expecting a full report on how that bail affected you rank! Don't leave out any details!

poopster · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2002, 04:49:33 PM »

Well on those occasions I get killed..

I call um up in private, complement them on they're superior ACM, and how one day, I hope to gain the skill to repay the favor..

Then we usually start talking ballistics, engine management and AOA...

By that time the squadies have him in mid sentence..

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2002, 04:53:33 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Heinkel
Situation:

...Voss, if you don't like people whining at you...change the way you fly. As it is now, you will get a lot of whines lol. When the only time you will fight, is when it's 3 vs 1 or more: expect whines. It's easy when you don't have to worry about SA, E management, ect....it's called what you do: only fighting when you have the odds.

Voss can't change the way he flies, it would require something he doesn't have...balls.

Ack-Ack

Wlfgng · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2002, 04:55:53 PM »

low blow!

moot · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2002, 04:59:10 PM »

Voss lighten up,
what was said on ch1 was more trying to pull the worms out of your nose as to why
1) you made that (those) mistake in the D9-Typ deck fight
2) why you waited for the 51B to get in range (more than a few minutes) before engaging in @+5Kft tempest the same D9 now at 5k
3) how countering attacks from higher E+alt tempest in D9 while keeping eye on opportunistic 51B is lack of fairplay from me, how it warrants then
4) trolling/whatever it's called on ch1 that XIII is a dweeb for being shot down in 2:1 odds, and what's more, in a MA lag storm because :
5) the shots only registered 30 seconds or so later, while the tempest was fighting the 109 over the V9(?) hill 4K+ away.

I don't even trust you to argue honestly enough to ask you if you had tracers off, of course by this point you are posting on BBS like a happy politician dancing his crowd pleasing tactics instead of doing this honest and privately:

email me if you care, I want to know 1),2) and if you remember the specifics, what you saw on your side of the D9-Temp semi-stall fighting.

Voss · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2002, 05:03:30 PM »

Hmm, a very tainted view of things, Heinkel.

I got to 46 with 12k alt. I stayed above a 190 and tried to see if he would run to 45. He didn't. Our goon, meanwhile, flies into the hill. So, I dive on the 190, who goes evasive, on the second pass I filled him full of 20mm Hispano's. For whatever reason, the host is laggy as hell and he is able to make three full evasive turns before exploding, which by that time you are chasing me and we are below 3k. You hit me some with your little MG, but two hits with the cannon and my left wingtip is gone. You were warned there were high cons in the area, so dropping that low is your own fault. But, you exceeded your own stupidity by staying in the area with XIII dead, because you haven't the presence of mind to handle being outnumbered. You demonstrate this in your own testimony.

Now, you get a Temp as hot as you want, on the deck, and zoom as hard as you can, and you won't get to 15k. What I did was extend (missing the left wing) and retrim while I zoomed in a high yo-yo to the right. You were nice and low (0k) and I was forced to lean on full right rudder and full aileron to keep my nose on you, but you took the hits and your engine soon seized.

Your lack of clear headed thinking is exemplified by your testimony of a 15k Tempest BNZ on your 0k 109. Further, if XIII was 2k out when I bailed he would have gotten a prox kill. I wasn't about to fly two sectors with a missing wingtip and a 262 chasing me. No, it didn't hurt my score at all.

So, let's see the film you made. You said you made one. Post it.

Back to the original purpose of this post:

I vote STUPID. Further, I wold like to recommend that after the vote is tallied (and we all know the results will be STUPID) that every time someone whines in any of these manners that we respond: "A vote has been taken by a group of your peers and we have found you STUPID."

Which, we can shorten to" "Shutup Stupid."

Response to moot: If you can clear all that up in a language I can understand, say English, I may respond. I believe you are trolling. Were you there?

funkedup · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2002, 05:07:43 PM »

Voss, Shutup Stupid.

Voss · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2002, 05:10:10 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by funkedup
Voss, Shutup Stupid.

Tard.

Heinkel · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2002, 05:13:22 PM »

Lol, classic Voss and his distored views. I can handle being out numbered, you can't. I went in to that knowing that XIII (moot) had to RTB, and that I would be facing a p51 and Temp. Never saw a wingtip fly off of you, but you were fast to come back and act brave (yeah right, already had a p51 shooting the heck out of me) and take the kill from your p51 buddy, ok...so now your a kill stealer too.

Film? I have it, but I don't have to prove anything to you. I know your past, and your not the type of person I feel I have to "prove" myself too.

Poor Voss always looking for sympathy. Saw it on Ch. 1 and see it here. When posed a question he simpally had no good answer to (which was: Why did you wait till the 2 p51s came, till you engaged) he responed with:

"Nice gamer stuff, saw how you shut off your engine."

All i did was have the biggest laugh i've had in a while. Check the thread, i voted "B" to elimante engine shut offs. You try to push the question at hand aside, by labeling me as a, "gamer." Thats typical of you, make yourself look good, by making the other person look bad with big words that really don't even make too much sense.

Voss · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2002, 05:53:05 PM »

Post the film.

Heinkel · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2002, 05:58:18 PM »

See previous responce.

Voss · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2002, 08:34:59 PM »

You know it'll prove you're wrong.

Heinkel · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2002, 08:40:53 PM »

Don't really care. You have sooo little credibialty, that even if I was wrong (which I am not) it doesn't really mean anything comming from you. I know you have nothing in 1 vs. 1, heck you have nothing in a 3 vs 1, thats really all that concerns me. There is one main difference between you and me Voss.

I want air combat. Thats why i went into a 1 vs 2 and later 3 vs 1. situation (me being the 1)

You don't want air combat. Thats why you ran from a 3 vs. 1 (you being the 3) OHHH NOOOO your rank!!

As I said. I know your past, and I know what type of person you are. With this in mind, I really don't feel like I have to prove anything to you. You need to prove to me that your not as much of a &&*@#*& as they said you are, then we'll worry about films. Really don't want to have anything to do with, "your type."