Author Topic: Mandatory drug testing (Read 2228 times)

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #105 on:** October 29, 2002, 04:16:26 PM »

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Drugs impair your perception of yourself and your world, so how much credibility can a stoner's viewpoint really have?

thruth coz i mess up my life and i always got it wrong.

Eagler · « **Reply #106 on:** October 29, 2002, 04:23:51 PM »

bug

stay 100% sober for six months

then do what you are doing now one night

then the next morning you tell me you are 100% sober

ain't no way

fact jack - problem is you'll never be sober 6 months to find out for yourself

and to answer ur other thread - both are bad for your growth - mentally, physically & spiritually

john9001 · « **Reply #107 on:** October 29, 2002, 04:28:48 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Drugs impair your perception of yourself and your world,

so does self-righteous attitudes

lazs2 · « **Reply #108 on:** October 29, 2002, 05:58:07 PM »

look... you guys are proving my point not yours. If you are really good (and valuable) at what you do then your employer will most likely ignore the fact that you are a druggie and that you are on a downhill run. He will most likely squeze as much productivity out of you as he can before you turn into a real piece of toejam.

wulfie.. Who cares if the programs set up by a private co. are poorly done? It is their concern and not ours... it is their profit and their loss. If they don't want people with illegal drugs in their system on the job then who are we to tell them how to hire and fire? None of our bussiness.

What do you care what illegal drugs are tested for? Like I said... it is their bussiness not yours... you wanna smoke pot for instance? fine.. go to a more "enlightened" employer. What's the problem? You still haven't told me what the problem is? I get tested all the time and have never had a positive test result. so.... what about testing bothers you.... exactly?
lazs

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #109 on:** October 29, 2002, 10:04:53 PM »

I like to argue the point Lazs...

I got tested once, was positive for "Other"... was clean at the time... an employer could of overlooked my application because of that.
-SW

capt. apathy · « **Reply #110 on:** October 29, 2002, 10:14:08 PM »

Kanth,
while I won't discount people out to get me.

I work in construction, at the end of the year I have anywhere from 5-12 w-2's some of those are for comapnys I've worked for up to 6 different times in a given year. so with sometimes having 2 or 3 dozen jobs a year it's not uncommon to get 2-5 (sometimes more) pre-employment piss test per year. some companys have given me 2 or 3 from their company alone in 1 year. (you'd think they'd keep that crap on file, huh?)

oh ya and the owner of the jobsight sometimes also wants a piss test. so to recap. the union piss tests you before you can get sent on a job, then the contractor tests you before you get the job, then the customer tests you before you can work on their property. so worst case scenario I supose I could end up taking a couple dozen of them in a year if I got all the wrong jobs but hey {sarcasm warning} I don't feel violated at all

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-dead- · « **Reply #111 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:30:16 AM »

hehe this drug test stuff makes me glad I live in a communist country

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #112 on:** October 30, 2002, 06:17:24 AM »

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Originally posted by wulfie
The problem with commenting on the Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights with regards to this topic is that today's problems were in no way applicable back then.

Friendly fire with a musket? One guy dies. A combat engineer who is hung over and screws up the fuzing on a military demolition job is going to kill everyone within 15 meters of him, every time.

I was just out drinkin' with some America West pilots, and we all agree. Anyone stupid enough to be within 15 meters of a bomb disposal squad deserves to die.

bounder · « **Reply #113 on:** October 30, 2002, 08:01:34 AM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Drugs impair your perception of yourself and your world, so how much credibility can a stoner's viewpoint really have?

That really is the most uninformed statement I have yet read in this thread. You should add the following:
"all generalisations are dangerous"

I would be interested in which drugs you have taken that impair your perception of yourself and the world.

How is it that the substances I take don't impair my perception of myself or the world, yet the ones you take do? Are we using different substances I wonder?

Maybe you are drinking too much coffee, or cocacola

lazs2 · « **Reply #114 on:** October 30, 2002, 08:18:22 AM »

bounder.. employers test for drugs that may cause THEM a problem.. They don't care how much caffene you hve in you cause so far.. it ain't been a problem. Even if you use perscription pain killers it can become their problem so a positive test for perscription drugs requires a doctors care.. if the doc says you are fine to work on morphine.... fine with the employer.. he is off the hook.

It is allmost impossible to get a false positive these days and if there is a questionable test... most employers simply test again but.. again.. I say it is their perogative. They don't mind throwing out the very, very small amount of "good druggies" with all the bad. It's good bussiness and smart odds to do so.

Keeping a druggie for the life of his job and not having him become a problem is like winning the lottery odds wise without the reward. Why should they do it? Why do they owe a druggie a job?
lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #115 on:** October 30, 2002, 08:50:43 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Why should they do it? Why do they owe a druggie a job?
lazs

to keep him from stealing his mother's jewelry to support his habit of course

party on dudes ... work for Friday & ur soma, don't think too much about it and realize there maybe more to it all, just take another hit and be "happy"

the world has a place for you, don't worry ... LOL

bounder · « **Reply #116 on:** October 30, 2002, 02:24:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

party on dudes ... work for Friday & ur soma, don't think too much about it and realize there maybe more to it all, just take another hit and be "happy"

the world has a place for you, don't worry ... LOL

Eagler, your sig says 'God bless America.'

You seem to be the one sucking on the soma nipple if you believe that:

a) god (any god) exists.
b) she favours the USA.

And which soma are we talking about here - the one from the Rig Veda, or from BNW?

Lasz2.
Ultimately I agree. the employer should be free to impose drug tests on his employees. If they don't like it then they can walk (I did & god knows this happened in Silicon Valley too a while back).

OTOH I think it wrong to compel employers to institute employee drug testing., as was suggested by the thread starter.

Also I think the term Druggie is far to woolly a term to be useful, if we're going to talk about how substances influence work, we need to know what work and which substances. Druggies is simply too broad a brush IMO.

lazs2 · « **Reply #117 on:** October 30, 2002, 02:48:03 PM »

I never wished to "compel" anyone to do anything. Allthough I would like an airline (for instance) to post a conspicuously on their tickets and at their stations that they do not drug test their employees if that is the case.
lazs

Vulcan · « **Reply #118 on:** October 30, 2002, 02:57:01 PM »

I'm ummm still not clear, do they set the drugs we test or can we request specific stuff we'd like to test?

Eagler · « **Reply #119 on:** October 30, 2002, 03:05:07 PM »

bounder

Brave New World

no soma sucking here - don't drink or smoke

my sig doesn't suggest God favors the US over other countries

just blesses it as it needs it