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Offline Matt1221b

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« on: October 29, 2002, 03:36:27 PM »
the kate can carry torps....right, well i have no idea im not much of i kate fan but i would love to fly it more than i would a val, well when is this thinkg coming out
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2002, 05:47:44 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2002, 05:51:52 PM »
Might get a special "plane only" patch for the Midway scenario.

Who knows......

Werent Kates dual purpose?  What was the medium alt level bomber used at Pearl with such deadly effectiveness?
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2002, 06:06:53 PM »
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Werent Kates dual purpose?  What was the medium alt level bomber used at Pearl with such deadly effectiveness?


B5N2.  It could carry an 800kg bomb or three 250kg bombs.

From the screenies shown we're getting a B5N1 which can carry two 250kg bombs.

They could both carry a torpedo.

The B5N1 entered service in 1938.
The B5N2 entered service in 1939.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2002, 06:08:24 PM »
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the kate can carry torps....right, well i have no idea im not much of i kate fan but i would love to fly it more than i would a val, well when is this thinkg coming out
:D :confused:


Kates are the ultimate paradox. On the one hand they don't give a crap, but on the other hand, kates are very careful and precise.

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2002, 06:27:07 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2002, 06:36:23 PM »
As far as I'm concerned, It could carry a 5000lb bomb. It would still suck. MA cannon fodder is all it is. ENY value should be 200+.

Paradoxically, it is needed for events though. I just don't want to fly it however well modelled/pretty it is. Glad I fly Allied in events BTW.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2002, 07:07:27 PM »
gatso,

The thing is, it is not needed for events.

There are no events that can be run that require the B5N without subbing in later war US stuff and thus hopelessly stacking the deck against the Japanese.

The B6N2 would be a much better addition.  The B5N is just useless.
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2002, 08:46:55 PM »
Well . ..

We did get the Early SDB and the VAL first.

Then the KATE . . .

Maybe in the future they can continue to round out the plane set to make it more balanced.

I am more than willing to wait till they get it completed.

Until then I have no problem making do with what we got.
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2002, 08:55:11 PM »
Well it is good to want things right, I have been waiting over two years myself, some longer and some not, i do know that what we dont get this patch is still a long way off.
   
We did NOT get the early SBD.

   Jordi check out that link above and look at that thred:

  From that thread by Karnak:

 
Is this setup considered balanced?

IJN/IJA:

A6M2 (1941)
B5N1 (1938)
D3A1 (1937)

vs.

USN/USAAF/RAF

Boston Mk III (1942)
F4F-4 (1941)
F4U-1 (1942)
Hurricane Mk I (1940)
Hurricane Mk IIc (1941)
P-40B (1940)
P-40E (1941)
SBD-5 (1943)
TBM-3 (1942)

 



 
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2002, 08:56:55 PM »
Karnak,

Pearl Harbour? B5N definitely has a place there and many other places and it damn well is needed for early war events, maybe there's early war US stuff on the way too.  The Kate was a significant aircraft even if it is a big pile of poo by MA standards.

I find the diversity in the planeset produced by HTC encouraging, even if it means we get MA Hanger queens like the Kate.

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2002, 09:02:53 PM »
My leading Coment from that thread:

 I do In general agree Karnak, howeaver I must say this:

Politics, the fleshing out of the Pearl harbor plane set is good for the CM's, we all saw Tora Tora Tora, and Mate Damon was just so cute in the pos movie Pearl harbor, the setting is a popular one, and those three planes the Val the Kate and the A6M2 were the primary tools with which the Japanese Navy wreaked it's destruction in the early part of the war in the Pac.

Pyro: In his defense he was damned no mater what plane he chose for Japan, that is If he only chose one to add this patch, their may be more. He did do somthing by chusing this plane he filled the Early war Japanese CV planeset, and made it possable for the CM's to do a number of events that represent with far more imershion battles that are very prevelent in the American psychie.

Personal: I fear we may be stuck with the Kate, what I mean by this that we may not see the Jill, or the Grace, since we alread have a Japanese torp bomber. Clearly the Jill would of been a better Balancing choice when set aganst the Mid war US CV planes we have at present, and Ultimately the Best choice for Main Areana utility would of been the Grace.

Balance, the imbalance curently could be construed as more of an issue that the US does not have early war planes(or models) to set oppset those being represented by Japan, for some the mear fact that this is a reality could be considered a slap in the face. Howeaver I can not see how on earth this could be intentional.

It's kinda like that Tiger tank we got, she was not the best German tank, certainly the Panther was far more deadly and produced in far greater number's but less well known, it is the Hollywood efect.

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2002, 09:04:09 PM »
I know, It was that Ben dude:)

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2002, 09:09:36 PM »
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We did get the Early SDB ....


Bull.

That is precisely the kind of BS Allied blindness that I am talking about.

We got a SBD-5, which is a 1943 version of the SBD that is 40mph faster than the SBD-2 and SBD-3 that fought the Battle of Midway.  Checking my sources I find that not only did we not get an "Early" SBD, there is hardly a later version of the SBD than the one we got.

In counter balance to this we got the 1937 D3A1, not the greater production D3A2 from 1942 (post-Midway) that is, like the SBD-5, 40mph faster than its Midway kin.

Now we get the B5N1 from 1938 to counter not the TBF Devastator that was its contempoary, but rather the TMB-3 which had only just begun to trickle to combat units at the time of Midway.

When the counterparts are always selected in such a way, intentional or not, as to maximize the USN's advantage we will see all Pacific Theatre setups die on the vine as nobody will volunteer to be one of the few sacrifical lambs who are there only to fulfill the fantasies of the Allied fliers who imagine themselves in a Marianas Turkey shoot.

I will never fly the B5N1.  I have no wish to participate only so that I enhance somebody else's fun.  As an example, one VF-27 pilot already exclaimed how much fun it was going to be to shoot Kates down.

You Allied fliers had best start thinking about balance if you actually want any opponents to show up.  You're lobby far, far outguns ours, but soon our wallets will do our speaking as we simply leave.
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2002, 09:19:03 PM »
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Originally posted by brady

Personal: I fear we may be stuck with the Kate, what I mean by this that we may not see the Jill, or the Grace, since we alread have a Japanese torp bomber.


How many Jills or Graces operated off of Carriers in WW2?    
None.

Some of us are interested in the planes that actually fought in the major battles of WW2.  Your goal seems to be to create some type of Fighter Ace arena.