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Offline eskimo2

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Ver Haff All Zee Bombers Gone?
« on: October 29, 2002, 08:34:09 PM »
Does it seem like multi-engine strategic bombers are being seen less and less in AH?  I think they are.
Historically, bombers played a huge role in the air war during WWII.  It’s hard to imagine a WWII flight sim without them.

In AH, there are 7 multi-engine strategic bombers.  There are 54 other aircraft that play the fighter or attack roles, but these planes could be narrowed down to 27 base types.  What this means is that multi-engine strategic bombers make up about 10 to 20% of the aircraft in the AH line-up depending on how you look at it.  Considering that bombers take a lot more time and effort to model than fighters, I think it’s fair to say that HTC has spent at least 15% of it’s aircraft production time on multi-engine strategic bombers.

So how much are they used?  It’s hard to say exactly, but we do have statistics on how many of each plane type are shot down per tour.  The following list shows the percent of bombsight equipped multi-engine strategic bombers that are shot down compared to all aircraft (and vehicles) that are lost per tour.  (B-17, B-26, Boston, Lanc, AR-234, JU-88, & KI-67)
In six month increments beginning with Tour 2:

Tour 2 – 8.6%
Tour 8 – 11.9%
Tour 14 – 10.4%
Tour 20 – 8.8%
Tour 26 – 8.3%
Tour 32 – 11.0%

It first appears that multi-engine strategic bomber use has remained relatively steady, and perhaps taken an upswing with the release of 1.10.  
Unless you consider that when players fly and die in one bomber, they now typically fly and die in three at once.  It’s anyone’s guess as to exactly what percent of bombers are flown in vics of three verses single ships, but it seems that the vast majority are flown in formation.

So I ask again,
Ver haff all zee bombers gone?

Unt, vat vill bring zem back?

eskimo
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Offline Amboss

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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2002, 02:23:21 AM »
What's it with this poor, fake german accent writing? Is that supposed to be l33t or something? Should it add to the ambiance? Or are you ridiculing german speaking people?

:rolleyes:
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Offline GScholz

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2002, 03:14:53 AM »
Don't take offence Amboss, I'm sure he doesn't mean any harm. It's just fun! :D

Gunther Went ... I vander ver Gunther vent .. we valk und talk on ze moon ..ja? ;)
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2002, 07:57:53 AM »
Perk every bomb over 250 lbs for single engine fitghters... no perk points if you don't survive the sortie and you will see more big fluffs.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2002, 08:00:29 AM »
The main reason I do very few bomber sorties any more is the way they explode like firecrackers.  

Up with tthree B26s, grab to 20k and a Spitfare flys by...Boom!  Boom!  Boom!

Happens so often is a joke.  Bout the only reason I even try anymore is just to use the bombsight....but that seems to happen very little due to the fragile nature of the damned bombers.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2002, 08:14:03 AM »
I don't bomb much since they put Rooks in the cockpits of the drones.

Couple days ago I decide to use up some bomber perks and fly the Arado.  Not sure why; I can do more damage with a heavy fighter...

Roll down the runway, punch up the RATO, drones fall back and explode.  There's 120 perks down the toilet...

Same day, up in an A20 for some silly reason, using it to cap one of the Bish's last fields.  Vulching in an A20 is just so much fun.  Anyway, someone ups a formation of B17s, so I roll into him.  Only friendly aircraft around, but my TCA is 90 degrees.  Pour fire into the lead aircraft, and as I fly over it and the second drone explode and I get credit for both.  Kill one, get one free.

Bombers need a couple tweaks and some targets worthy of area bombing.  Until then they're just not that important to the way things work.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2002, 08:15:53 AM »
You can't really do much damage in a buff formation anyway.  So you destroy a fh, an ammo bunker and a gun position.  Big deal.  It literally has no effect on the war.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2002, 08:25:54 AM »
Best defense: Grab more alt, and don't be detected until absolutely nessesary.

Bombed bish HQ last night. 3 ship formation of B17's, climbed to 28k ft, and used the gaps in their radar cover to navigate to the shortest route from their radar cover to the HQ. Made a dash throug a port rather than an AF to avoid enemy interceptors upping and gaining visual contact with me. Once in their "backyard" blind zone I changed course so they couldn't predict my exact location, and navigated between their AF's radar cover. Made a single run on their HQ, knit had already been there once, I think I finished the job. Dashed out again and flew home. 1 hour trip, never saw a bandit, only a couple of con dots when I left the HQ scene, and I out ran them before they could make visual range (they were low). with 30 odd thousand feet and 300 ktas you can outfly or outdistance almost anything upping to get you.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2002, 08:27:37 AM »
All da bombers were at A11/A12, A15 area last night..I'd say every other flight was a bomber flight.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2002, 08:29:01 AM »
There is very little that the AH bomber can do that an AH attack plane can't do better.
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2002, 08:37:25 AM »
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There is very little that the AH bomber can do that an AH attack plane can't do better.


This is pretty much true with the way the bombers are now. One heavy jabo will clear a city and deack a field.
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2002, 08:40:23 AM »
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You can't really do much damage in a buff formation anyway. So you destroy a fh, an ammo bunker and a gun position. Big deal. It literally has no effect on the war.


Fuel bunker, ammo bunker, and the barracks. Pork fuel lightly, eliminate external ordnance, and keep them from running troops out of the field. Done at the right time, it can make a big difference.
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2002, 08:53:37 AM »
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Originally posted by Turbot
There is very little that the AH bomber can do that an AH attack plane can't do better.


Agreed. Targets are too small.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2002, 09:01:56 AM »
There needs to be a condition that only the bombers can meet, and right now there isn't.  Without going into debates about the current strat system, there are ways of tweaking the MA to make bombers more useful.  Since the bombsight is less accurate now, but anyone can up with 3x the amount of bombs, why not increase the size of the towns at airfields, and maybe toughen up the buildings a little?  Just enough so that a 3-ship of bombers would be more useful than 1 or 2 jabo planes.  This might slow down the rapid land grabbing that seems to happen most nights, if missions needed bombers instead of just typhoons.  


PS.  Am I the only one who thinks that .50 cal bullets or smaller shouldn't do ANY damage to a hardened aircraft shelter (hangars)?
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2002, 09:07:05 AM »
Even cannon and rockets shouldn't damage a HARDENED A/C shelter.
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