Author Topic: Bring the Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank" to Aces High (Read 7361 times)

brady · « **Reply #60 on:** November 01, 2002, 06:58:57 PM »

AFIK, all books that list the 30mm on the Frank as a mass produced fighter varent are in error, Buschells book refrencing this is not correct, or So I have been lead to beleave.

Mitsu · « **Reply #61 on:** November 01, 2002, 07:25:45 PM »

You misunderstand about Ki-84 a little.

There was no Ki-84-II. or maybe few experimental prototypes...
Ki-84-II was wooden at some parts...rear fuselage, horizontal stab, and wing tip (note: it's not Tachikawa's Ki-106 wooden hayate).
It's also known for equipping with Ha-45-21/23/25 engines.

Early Ki-84-Is (prototypes) had Ha-45-11 though, actually most Ki-84-Is were equipped with Ha-45-21 engine.

Here is a picture of engine spec from Nakajima's Ki-84-I Instruction Manual.

Karnak · « **Reply #62 on:** November 01, 2002, 11:01:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Any real late war spit IX would be used more. Especially if it had a bubble canopy. THe IL10 might get alot of use. The US twin 40mm on an m24 chassis would be increadably poplular looking at ostwind usage. The P47N would be very popular. As would the Bearcat.
I have often wondered what some of the early alison P51s would be like in the MA especially the 4 hispano ones. Werent they purportedly very very fast on the deck, which is a paramount advantage in the MA.

A later war Merlin Spitfire may very well be a cheap perk plane without a perk tag, like the F4U-1C, otherwise you're probably correct.

I doubt the Il-10 could approach the usage of any late war fighter.

The M24 with twin 40mm would almost certainly be a perk vehicle, based on how close the Ostwind came to being perked.

Unless the P-47N is vastly more user friendly than the P-47D-30 it would not even begin to approach the Ki.84's usage. As I understand it the P-47N would be pretty much like a longer ranged P-47D-30. The P-47M would, of course, be a perk plane.

The F8F Bearcat doesn't really have a place in AH in my opinion, but should HTC add it (hey, it's their game and as egotistical as I can be I don't actually delude myself that my opinion matters) it would be perked, highly so.

The P-51A with four Hispano's might be used more. I'd have to know more about its performance envelope and ammo load to give a stronger opinion.

Turbot · « **Reply #63 on:** November 01, 2002, 11:24:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
later war Merlin Spitfire may very well be a cheap perk plane without a perk tag, like the F4U-1C, otherwise you're probably correct.

Sp14 even without the tag would still die. Look at logs for Ct events where sp14 was free. SP14 is probably a g10 equal in my totally uninformed opinion - but there you have it.

Pongo · « **Reply #64 on:** November 02, 2002, 12:07:30 AM »

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The truth is that any plane that would be popular in the MA is going to be a potential perk plane to alot of players.

I dont know about the il10. 85-100 mph faster then the il2 on the deck and at alt. It can give a good account for itself against an la5fn according to my reading and can have a 20mm in the rear gun position..Armoured like an il2..
nasty nasty nasty..
Quite distinctive in the MA where the ki84 would be just another fighter.

the big issue with the ki84 is what will it be like. Lots of disention about the nature of the performance of the plane based on how it was tested...

Karnak · « **Reply #65 on:** November 02, 2002, 12:32:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
the big issue with the ki84 is what will it be like. Lots of disention about the nature of the performance of the plane based on how it was tested...

True.

I have a range of performance specs in my mind that I expect it to fall within.

I had the same for the Mosquito Mk VI. It beat all my most optimistic expectations except for durabilty, where it was about the worst I was guessing.

I'm keen to see where the Ki.84 comes out.

J_A_B · « **Reply #66 on:** November 02, 2002, 05:30:45 AM »

"I have a range of performance specs in my mind that I expect it to fall within. "

Exactly. It's not so much a question of how it performs, but which data set HTC chooses to use when they decide to add it.

J_A_B

easymo · « **Reply #67 on:** November 02, 2002, 12:27:16 PM »

LOL. I have to admire your optimism. We have been asking for this thing since beta.

J_A_B · « **Reply #68 on:** November 02, 2002, 02:29:09 PM »

Oh, they WILL add it eventually.

We just don't know when

J_A_B

Mitsu · « **Reply #69 on:** November 03, 2002, 12:27:46 AM »

Karnak, I have only TAIC Manual, and ATAD data which Butch2K provided.

Karnak · « **Reply #70 on:** November 03, 2002, 01:34:23 AM »

Mitsu,

I was hoping you had the good performance data.

Mitsu · « **Reply #71 on:** November 03, 2002, 01:49:21 AM »

But they can learn these performance curves for AH Ki-84.
Uh, I believe Pyro has already got them.

oboe · « **Reply #72 on:** November 03, 2002, 05:45:26 PM »

Oh no you don't. This baby's going right back to the top!

brady · « **Reply #73 on:** November 03, 2002, 09:19:29 PM »

oboe · « **Reply #74 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:12:37 PM »

Slippery little bastige, aren't ya? Upsy-daisy!