Author Topic: Bring the Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank" to Aces High (Read 8116 times)

Mitsu · « **Reply #90 on:** November 08, 2002, 12:09:59 PM »

I wanna know an info about Ki planes for the next version.
The Kate only? or do you have something yet?

Tell us it please...

oboe · « **Reply #91 on:** November 08, 2002, 12:49:18 PM »

I second Mitsu's very polite request!

Please, let us know if any Nakajimas are coming beyond the B5N.

Kweassa · « **Reply #92 on:** November 09, 2002, 10:58:21 AM »

"Oh no ya don't. You're going straight to the top!"

* punt! *
* smack! *
* slap! *

Mitsu · « **Reply #93 on:** November 09, 2002, 11:52:23 AM »

*bump!*

Pongo · « **Reply #94 on:** November 09, 2002, 04:31:31 PM »

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Originally posted by brady
Pongo do you by chance have the link, I used to have it on my old hard drive before the melt down, havent been able to get it back:(

sorry brady, missed this, do you mean the link to that japanese art site where I got this?

Samm · « **Reply #95 on:** November 09, 2002, 06:32:43 PM »

Pongo that would be a supreme whine generator ! a7m ?

Karnak · « **Reply #96 on:** November 10, 2002, 07:44:09 PM »

Hail Mary!!!

J_A_B · « **Reply #97 on:** November 10, 2002, 08:12:13 PM »

THis is worthy of being a 100-post thread.....

J_A_B · « **Reply #98 on:** November 10, 2002, 08:16:01 PM »

So I'll turn it into one

J_A_B

easymo · « **Reply #99 on:** November 11, 2002, 05:02:10 PM »

Mit, do you have the skills to build a KI-84 for Target Rabal?

C_R_Caldwell · « **Reply #100 on:** November 11, 2002, 09:13:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo

Lots of planes out there that answer your question. But I am looking forward to the Ki84 as well.
I think that Italian prototypes have no more place in the game then other coutries prototypes. And if we start getting them lets start with the Mb5.

Pongo, I respect your opinion, but I think you are missing the point a little here. Fiat G.55's were built as 'Serie 0' pre-production models and 'Serie I' production a/c. The 'Serie 0' G.55's were *not* prototypes. The phrase "pre-production" simply denotes that these a/c were not being built to projected production specs (in this case the 'Serie 0' didn't have wing-mounted MG 151/20s but 4 x 12.7mm HMGs in the nose). Note that both 'Serie 0' and 'Serie I' G.55s saw action.

As far as the Re.2005 is concerned, the few dozen (definitely less than 40) a/c made were all pre-production models. Again, there is a distinction between "pre-production" and " prototype". The Re.2005's that saw action were *not* protos.

I do agree with your logic re: prototypes in general, however. It would preclude the inclusion of a/c like the A7M or Go 229. The moment you include one proto in the planeset, it's a case of "one in, all in", AFAIC.

Pongo · « **Reply #101 on:** November 11, 2002, 11:14:53 PM »

I think thats a real hard call. pre production..prototype...
Bad can of worms to open. Yes it shows that Italian AC design did not stop with the 205 but wow. Imagine the AC that would be available if we start to blur that line.

Kaz · « **Reply #102 on:** November 12, 2002, 03:55:33 AM »

*KICK!*

Mitsu · « **Reply #103 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:16:28 AM »

punt.

Ki-84 "Hayate" which has been tested by USA.

(1) Weight
Gross: 3600kg (fuel 503kg, no bombs)
Gross: 3600kg (fuel 503kg, no bombs)
Overload: 4670kg (947kg, no bombs)

(2) Speed (weight at 3600kg)
Maximum: 563km/h @ S.L.
WEP: 584km/h @ S.L.
Maximum: 686km/h @ 7100m
WEP: 687km/h @ 6100m
Crusing (75%): 409km/h @ 450m

(3) Fuel Capacities
Internal: 700LTR
External: 660LTR
Maximum: 1360LTR

(4) Range
Maximum range: 2920km at 280km/h @ 450m (Fuel 1360LTR)
(Maximum fuel): 2270km at 388km/h @ 450m (Fuel 1360LTR)
Maximum range: 1650km at 290km/h @ 450m (Fuel 700LTR)
(Normal fuel): 1260km at 410km/h @ 450m (Fuel 700LTR)

(5) Armament
12.7mm x 2 (350rds each, fixed)
20mm x 2 (150rds each, fixed)

(6) Note
"Speed vs Range" chart (an upper left graph) is recorded at Normal Power.
"Climb Time" chart (a bottom right) is recorded at Military Power.
At upper right and bottom left graphs, dashed line shows the WEP, other lines show the military power.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #104 on:** November 12, 2002, 05:28:37 AM »

Pongo I think its entirely unfair and illogical to directly compare the "prototype" status and AH viability of an aircraft from something like the gigantic standardized US, German, UK, Soviet etc air force structures and the very small, almost butique style practically handbuilt Italian airforce's fighter establishments.

Im saying the Re2005 or G55 should be in the game, there is simply nothing in the US or LW or RAF or VVS airforces that compares to their status. And the planes both saw useful combat in the Italian airforce, the MB5 never did and only two were built so thats kinda reaching...

I trust you are mature and intelligent enough to see the obvious difference here and there is no need to be absolutely rigid and inflexible as such attitides are simply childish obstruction tactics.