Bring the Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank" to Aces High

[Karnak]

Red Tail 444,

I seriously doubt that the Ki.84 will have the second highest deck speed in AH.

In WBIII the Ki.84 will do 367mph at 1000ft.  I think that is a bit generous.  I am guessing the Ki.84 in AH will have a deck speed of about 350mph, maybe 355mph.  That is about like the Yak-9U and La-5FN, but significantly slower than the P-51D, Bf109G-10, Typhoon Mk Ib, Fw190D-9 and La-7.

[Kaz]

I just hope that the performance data is as accurate as possible. Hey let's get this up to 200 posts

[Kaz]

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Karnak
Red Tail 444,

I seriously doubt that the Ki.84 will have the second highest deck speed in AH.

In WBIII the Ki.84 will do 367mph at 1000ft.  I think that is a bit generous.  I am guessing the Ki.84 in AH will have a deck speed of about 350mph, maybe 355mph.  That is about like the Yak-9U and La-5FN, but significantly slower than the P-51D, Bf109G-10, Typhoon Mk Ib, Fw190D-9 and La-7.

Karnak, thanks,

 I am referring to AW's specs, which were constant in FR / RR arenas.

in AW the Ki was the fastest below 7k, outdistancing the P51D. The only hope to outrun it  was the corsair on WEP  and 3k/min ROC, given the E states were relatively equal at the outset. This is all based on my personal experiences using all of these rides. Too bad the FM's arent consistent Bx all flight sims...

I have no hard data on hand -on my lap- to support that, and although I do have the AW manuals locked up somewhere, I don't think it's needed for this post.

Gainsie

[Karnak]

Red Tail 444,

OK, got it.

I believe that WBIII is still using Pyro's old WBII flight models, as a basis of what they are now if not outright the same.  Now given that Pyro made the Ki.84 flight model for WBII that might be some indication of what to expect in AH, but it would be tempered with what he has learned since then.


I would be very happy if we saw, in addition to the units for 1.11 already announced, these units:

Ki.84-Ia
I-16-24
Pe-2FT or Tu-2S

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Karnak

I would be very happy if we saw, in addition to the units for 1.11 already announced, these units:

Ki.84-Ia
I-16-24
Pe-2FT or Tu-2S

Isint the 1A the earliest version? Also, I don't know what the other planes are that you listed. I liked the only Ki I flew, but I'm game for the later versions.

BTW, the CT was fun last night! Man, the Ki would be a monster in there!

[Karnak]

Red Tail 444,

There were only two versions of the Ki.84.  The Ki.84-Ia and Ki.84-Ib.  The only difference between them was the armament.  The Ia was armed with two 20mm Ho-5 cannon in the wings, each with 150 rounds, and two 12.7mm Ho-103 machine guns in the cowl, each with 350 rounds.  The Ib was armed with four 20mm Ho-5 cannon, each with 150 rounds.

Engine wise they all used the same line of engines, and the Ia might perform slightly better due to its lighter armament.


The I-16-24 is an early war Russian fighter designed in 1933 and armed with two 20mm cannon and two 7.9mm machine guns, and having a top speed of 304mph.  It was the last fighter designed to be unstable about all three axis until the F-16.  It could probably out turn the A6M2, but any mistake would probably result in a fatal spin.

The Pe-2FT is a mid war version of Russia's main WWII bomber.

The Tu-2S is a late war Russian bomber.

[Kaz]

If that's the case then the Ib would more than likely be perked faster than the N1K and also has 4 cannons not to mention it's maneuverability which is better than the F4U-1C...Yep that would definitely have to be perked. Just leave the Ia unperked

[Karnak]

More than 3,000 of the 3,514 Ki.84s built were Ia types.

I would expect that we will get the Ki.84-Ia with no option for the Ki.84-Ib when we get the Ki.84.

[Kaz]

bump

[Kaz]

nutha pic

http://www.ijaafpics.com/B&W/ki848_2.jpg

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Kaz
nutha pic

http://www.ijaafpics.com/B&W/ki848_2.jpg

Man, what a sweet plane, the cowl almost looks like...a LW design?

[brendo]

"I have a question. Why do we all speak with British accents, if were from outerspace and there is no Britain?"

Actually, I do have a question.

Firstly, I have noticed about 5000 posts asking for a Ki84 or a punt etc. Thats fine..... but .....

Why do you imply that there is any possibility at all of getting a Ki84 in AH?

Do you know something we dont? ie Has anyone told you that it is even being considered? And do you have any realistic hope of getting it at all? ie.... "its coming" is meaningless in an online WWII sim that is always adding and developing stuff. Im sure the B29 is coming too....

So what gives?

P40N! P40N! P40N! Oops. Sorry wrong sim

[Urchin]

Oh, we'll get a Ki-84.  Maybe not this patch, but surely within the next year.  It is the last of the widely produced (relatively, anyway) planes in WW2 that is likely to see a lot of use in the MA.  Granted, if we get a version with 4 20mm or 2 20mm and 2 30mm, it will see a lot more use than if we got the 2 13mm and 2 20mm one.  

Even in the Ia form though, it has superior performance over the "Big 4" in certain areas (different areas for each of the "Big 4"), and enough firepower to see enough use to become one of the most used planes in the arena.  

If it really turns as well as the Spit 9, you'll probably see a lot of N1K and Spit drivers switch to it, at least for a while.  Whether they stay in it will depend on which version of the Ki 84 we get.

[Karnak]

The Ki.84 is one of the few Japanese aircraft that there is an actual, honest to God, American and European fan base for.  There are Americans and Europeans who really like this plane and will fly it because of that, not simply due to how good it is.

Of course there are many Japanese fans as well.

Just as obvious is that many, certainly most, of those who will fly it, will fly it because it is good, not because they really like it for itself.

But like the A6M Zero, there is a real international fan base for the Ki.84.