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Offline C_R_Caldwell

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« Reply #135 on: November 14, 2002, 08:25:17 PM »
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"The G.55 certainly deserves to, but fat chance for it to ever get there. Italian a/c just aren't "sexy" to most casual WW2 aviation buffs, a group which AH seems to be increasingly aiming for..."


it speaks for itself.


And the factual error in that comment is... what? I'll say it again. Most casual gamers don't find Italian a/c sexy. You , however, then extrapolated that to mean that the reverse must also be true. That is, those who do find Italian a/c "sexy" must regard themselves as "elite". I said *no* such thing.

Sim developers need to attract the casual sim player these days just to compete. For some reason beyond my meagre understanding they are under the misapprehension that the majority of casual gamers (at least Western casual gamers) would not be interested in Soviet or Italian a/c (or Romanian, Polish et al) if they were exposed to them and therefore they feed us with an endless stream of sims based in N/W Europe ,with an occasional smattering of PTO action.

My only regret is that I should have elaborated further so as to avoid any misunderstanding. What I should have added was that most casual players don't find Italian a/c sexy because most developers refuse to expose them to WW2 Italian a/c. I have *no* doubt that any casual player exposed to more Italian a/c would find them just as "sexy" as a Spit, Mustang or other well-known birds...

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« Reply #136 on: November 15, 2002, 08:49:06 AM »
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=69935

Hey, Super/Nate!

Make Ki-84 like your new awesome P-51D in AH please!!!

I cannot wait for this battle.

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« Reply #137 on: November 15, 2002, 11:26:05 AM »
That film is awesome ( the one Mitsu has a link to in his last post) Anyone know who he/she is and if they happen to play AH or any other MMOG WW2 sim? :p  Anyways just in case I sent an email giving praises and a link to AH hehe.

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« Reply #138 on: November 16, 2002, 09:27:55 AM »
punt

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« Reply #139 on: November 16, 2002, 10:46:07 AM »
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Make Ki-84 like your new awesome P-51D in AH please!!!


 ... random engine failure?? :D

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« Reply #140 on: November 16, 2002, 11:21:31 AM »
Caldwell
if it bothers you so much to be missinterpreted, you should be more carefull what you say.
Personally I think I understood you perfectly.

you croaketh...
"The G.55 certainly deserves to, but fat chance for it to ever get there. Italian a/c just aren't "sexy" to most casual WW2 aviation buffs, a group which AH seems to be increasingly aiming for..."

yup. pretty clear to me.
AH just is not after the quality of player that would be interested in the planes that you are interested in..
sorry it bothers you so much to be seen as pompous.

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« Reply #141 on: November 16, 2002, 09:24:55 PM »
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Caldwell
if it bothers you so much to be missinterpreted, you should be more carefull what you say.
Personally I think I understood you perfectly.

you croaketh...
"The G.55 certainly deserves to, but fat chance for it to ever get there. Italian a/c just aren't "sexy" to most casual WW2 aviation buffs, a group which AH seems to be increasingly aiming for..."

yup. pretty clear to me.
AH just is not after the quality of player that would be interested in the planes that you are interested in..
sorry it bothers you so much to be seen as pompous.


Yeah right. My mistake was disagreeing with you and pointing out how stupid your comparison between a G.55 and an MB5 was.  That was VERY silly of me ;)  . Personally I couldn't give a rat's backside what you think - life's too short. However, since you appear to be slow on the uptake, I'll give it to you again.

AH needs to attract the more casual player to survive, not just
"experts" like you who trawl the AH BBS arguing about things you know jack-s**t about (like the difference between a prototype and a pre-production machine ). Most casual players know little to nothing about Italian machines. They've heard of names like "Spitfire", "Messerschmitt", "Mustang", "Zero" . The reason is they simply aren't exposed to Italian a/c. They do NOT see them in boxed sims which most casual players would have played before ever going near AH. They don't see documentaries about them on the History Channel et al, and they don't see old war movies from the 40s, 50s, and 60s which include Italian a/c.

Exactly just what part of the last paragraph do you disagree with? You think the average Western "casual" player has a great interest in Italian (or Romanian, or Polish, or even Soviet) a/c ? Why do you think almost all sims are based in N/W Europe with combat taking place between British/US and German a/c? My reasoning is that, just as US film studios downplay the intelligence of US movie audiences .(one recent example was renaming "Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone" ,as it was known in the rest of the world, to "Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone" for the US market), sim developers do the same to their own potential audience and play it safe by producing sims that are set in N/W Europe between the same old suspects.

When I said that most casual players don't find Italian a/c "sexy", I meant exactly that. What I didn't say was WHY I believe they don't find them "sexy" .You apparently then took it to mean that I said they don't find them as such coz they are FR dweebs who don't have the knowledge or class to know any better. Man, it's absolutely amazing how you were able to divine the exact meaning of my words. Most people can have difficulty discerning someone's intent when they are speaking to them face to face and are able to see their body language and hear the inflection in their voice and , yet you assert that you *know* just what I meant.

Sheesh, grow up, dude.You are pissed that I made you look like a twit by pointing out the lack of logic in your prototype argument . What a mistake that was . I'll just agree with your every statement, no matter how ridiculous next time. Then again, since you seem to be incapable of distinguishing between an operational a/c that was built in small numbers yet saw (fierce) active service to a prototype that saw no active service at all and that saw 2 airframes built, I may find it difficult to keep my mouth shut...

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« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2002, 04:58:09 AM »
Yep the Ki84 will be a great addition to the AH hangar. Fairly fast so it should be more of a match for the P51, 190, won't bother to mention that Russian jet. Agree with Fester about different models, the 4 cannon variant may have to be perked a la F4U-C but we'll take it anyways ;)

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« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2002, 01:31:42 PM »
Check this great video to get taste of Hayate.

http://www.angel.ne.jp/~tochy/airplane/1945/1945.mpg

If your windows mplayer has problems playing it, then  try it with real player.

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« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2002, 02:42:27 PM »
Example A of why players shouldnt take the names of real pilots.
They shame them.
Thanks for reminding my of what this stupid nonsence was originaly about. Pre production AC shouldnt be in the game unless all pre production AC are going to be considered for the game.  I know there is no published list of the criteria for including a plane in the game. But moving into pre production is a big step. Not all of us are as intellectually refind as you to see the difference so cleary. We might think you just wanted to introduce those planes cause you liked them and be willing to say any damed thing to get them.
The only reason I have replied to any of your crap is to punt this thread..cause I would like the Ki84 in the game.


why dont you give us another 10 versions of what you meant by this...
"The G.55 certainly deserves to, but fat chance for it to ever get there. Italian a/c just aren't "sexy" to most casual WW2 aviation buffs, a group which AH seems to be increasingly aiming for..."
I love those little dots after the end of it..
sarcasm dots...

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« Reply #145 on: November 18, 2002, 03:32:28 PM »
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When it comes, and I have no doubt that it will, I hope we get the one with the 1,990hp Ha-45-21 so as to have a true 400mph fighter for Japan.

Not to mention making life all that much harder for the F4U and P-51 boys.:D


As a F4U Boy myself, I do miss those battles from good Frank Pilots...maybe the only thing I miss from AW Full Realism.

As much as I hated them at times, I respected them, too...never an easy battle against 'em, but now that there are FOUR hogs to chose from...oh choices, Choices, CHOICES!

Bring it on! See ya in the CT, Sentai Boys! :D

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« Reply #146 on: November 18, 2002, 03:37:49 PM »
The Frank is popular Japanese plane.
I see over 150 posts in each frank thread.

Bring it on now.

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« Reply #147 on: November 18, 2002, 07:46:42 PM »
Yes the Ki84 is very popular in the game....I hear its name mentioned on the all country channel everyday by some guy, I forget who.... ;) Not to only that but many people who say that it was their favorite plane in AW :)

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« Reply #148 on: November 18, 2002, 08:45:05 PM »
I dont know about AW, but it was my fav in WB.  Rideing on the edge of a very nasty spin was big fun.

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« Reply #149 on: November 19, 2002, 06:37:09 AM »