Rams

[ccvi]

Originally posted by Turbot
Always been wierd in AH that the last one to hit the ground gets the kill.   Hate to say it but Warbirds does this right.  In the example of this thread both would get a kill and a death.   It cuts down on HO's, because there is no way to profit from it like you can in AH by just being the last one to crash.

Yes, and forcing the enemy to ditch should score a kill like it is over there.

Also, plane wrackage shouldn't magically disappear.

Originally posted by Hooligan
There is a reason.  When they are moving, 2 aircraft are NEVER (yes really never) in the same places on different FEs.  Collisons would be extremely rare because of this.  Having collisions by mutual detection would be virtually equivalent to having no collisions at all.

Read my short first post in this thread. Collision within place and time. Say within 2 seconds no further than 1k yards from eachother.

In the case of a crash on one front end and no crash on the other host could send a message "You're lucky, the enemy evaded".

Originally posted by Wotan
If you think hos are bad now imagine them under ccvis suggestion. Collisions deaths would rarely happen and folks would fly right through you to ho you.

Do you have to ram those HO dweebs to kill them? Dieing in a crash isn't "damn I crashed, need to pull away faster next time" but rather "not bad, perfectly lined up, need more firepower to make him explode before i crash into him".

At least that's why I loved the 110 in BOB/their finest hour about 15 years ago

[Steve]

Actually VWE, I was irritated because of the following:  I had you beat like a dog in your LA-7, you were taking hits from my rounds so you nose up into me late, whether you were trying one last desperate attempt at a head on(you had already tried several) or you were trying to ram me, or it was thew only option you had left, will remain a mystery.
We collided on FE's.. nose to nose... yet you went on your happy unmolested way.  I wasn't upset that you tried this move, like I said, you had already demonstrated the HO is your preferred "move". I was upset because I saw two FE's collide and you suffered no damage even though you were equally responsible for the collision.  Feel free to spew your own version.  I'm not really interested however as your barely comprehensible babble on channel one has already shown me you are incapable of discussing the scenario based on the facts, only from a position that casts you in a favorable light...sadly it is far from what actually occured:rolleyes:

[gofaster]

Was it the top of the loop or a head-on collision?  VWE says one thing, Steve says another.  Seems to me, if you chase a guy up into a vertical and he rotates down back on top of you, you kind of had it coming...

[Wotan]

Steve you dont "front end" means

You cant possibly have seen what happened on vwe's "front end" unless you were sitting next him at his house.

Front end does not mean the front of his airplane lol

Follow Hooligans link...........

Here's a snippet

Every player has a copy of the Front End, and all communicate with the Host. The Front End consists of the flight simulator and the gunnery system. All flying and shooting (including collision detection, plane flying characteristics, and gun hit determination) occurs on the Front End. Thus, the only computer that determines whether you hit another plane is your own, the only computer that tells what your plane does is your own, and the only computer that determines whether you hit someone/something with guns or ground ordnance is your own. No collision detection or ordnance hit determination for you or anything you drop/fire is done on any other computer including the host.

[whels]

Originally posted by Wotan
Steve you dont "front end" means

You cant possibly have seen what happened on vwe's "front end" unless you were sitting next him at his house.

Front end does not mean the front of his airplane lol

Follow Hooligans link...........

Here's a snippet

 

Wotan,

did u read Booky's note on his test?

of 10 on purpose Ramming, both seeing Rams on thier FEs,7 of the 10 only 1 took damage even though they both rammed.

in a test like that, both ram each other, if collision code wasnt
broke, they both shoulda took damage every time.

that test shows 70% of the time the collsion code is wrong to some degree.


that would account for times ive Seen on my FE we miss, yet i took damage, and sometimes even on the opposite side of plane
of where the enemy passed.

whels

[Wotan]

I need films to believe it.......

I have tested ramming as well and found it impossible to achieve a situation where on each fe both clearly collided. 1 guy would get damage, as far as I could tell it was the guy who saw the collision on his front end.

I will test it again and see but thats still here nor there Steve is acknowledging he collided but he blames the collision on the other guy. The other guys are clearly saying they saw no collision.

If what you contend is true its a different issue then whats being claimed in this thread.

[gofaster]

What was the maneuver of the attack?  Were you both looping towards each other or was one chasing the other?  Its kind of hard to take sides here without more information.

In the below example, Steve is the blue plane.  Is this the way it happened?

[gofaster]

Steve is the blue plane.

[Shane]

Originally posted by Wotan
I need films to believe it.......
I have tested ramming as well and found it impossible to achieve a situation where on each fe both clearly collided. 1 guy would get damage, as far as I could tell it was the guy who saw the collision on his front end.
 

i've had occasional rams where we both took the damage.  and i believe levi has mentioned situations on a umm H2H  (i think with just him and nath) where both take damage.

usually the reason why only *one* takes damage is directly attributable to net lag. in the absence of lag, both see it and take it.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Over the internet, there is no such thing as "absence of lag"..

Someone is always gonna be 50-300ms from where you see them.

Collisions are double sided when both people fug up and get to close to the enemy and run into them.

Collisions are one sided when only one guy fugs up and gets to close to the enemy and run into them.

This is as good as it gets until everyone has fiber optics and the highest amount of latency is 10ms point to point.
-SW

[VWE001]

GoFaster, it was the second of your two...

Its just a game steve there are many more important things, at least in my life, that are worthy of discussion. I don't play this game so I can sit in the text buffer and chat.

[Steve]

Gofaster.. I love the animation,,,and I'm the blue plane... yay!

I love blue!

[MrLars]

Originally posted by Steve

I was upset because I saw two FE's collide and you suffered no damage even though you were equally responsible for the collision.  

Anybody else see the impossibility of this sentance?

Must be that super sekret FE telemuterwhineinducer he had installed in his plane so he can see the other persons FE through his monitor.

[-ammo-]

"RAMs"

I thought he quit?