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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2002, 10:46:52 AM »
The C202 has good handling, the C205 is very similar, but the C202 is gutless, while the C205 isn't.  The C202 also suffers from almost a total lack of firepower as compared to almost anything else in the game.

I'd say against the P-51, the C205 is going to be about the same at high speeds, though the flaps will likely help the P-51, but at low speeds the C205 should own it.

Remember that the 6G limit is in effect for pilot black-out though, so since everything can pull 6G's at high speed the overall practical turn rates are really about the same (at least instantaneous).  I think the C205 seems to retain E pretty well, though much of that has to do with the ability to replace alt quickly and accelerate.  Top speed is disappointing though, the P-51 would own the C205 in top speed at all altitudes.

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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2002, 03:42:57 PM »
Goin to try a c205..BRB..:)
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2002, 03:47:53 PM »
The 205 will out-turn the P-51D at low speeds, although not by a whole heck of a lot.  Be wary of 51's that ride their flaps a bit...you will out-turn them in the long run but they might be able to gain angles for a shot.

IMO the 205 is one of the more under-rated planes in AH.

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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2002, 11:55:14 AM »
The G10 lives and dies by its rudder...

109g10 will out turn a 205 using its rudder and going high yoyo lag pursuit....

Then it can saddle using rudder to maintain speed with its superior accel to remain saddled.

Lots of people think the g10 cant turn but they are dissillusioned to think so... ( when trimmed 2 thirds in the elevator it will outturn most aircraft in the game.)

In my experience the only planes that worry me about turn are the spit 5 zero f6f etc... The Turn and burners..  (Even turn and burners have little chance to turn when I comming right on top of their head rolling to match their turn rate.)

I dont qualify the 205 in this T&B catagory.

Now high speed handling the 205 is pretty awesome..  One of the best in AH...  It also bleeds energy at high g's pretty fast giving the illusion of high turn rate when it is actually turn radii that its excelling at.

Dont be fooled by the two...

Under low g the the 205 handles and maintains e pretty well....

While this effect is very desirable (IMO)  It is not as pronounced as say the yak or typhoon or shiden.... (they are the radii keymasters in my opinon..)

My money is on the g10 its engine is really superior to the 205 and has more tricks to use in almost any situation....

In a 1 vs 1 I dont think any other aircraft can take the g10....

(that should rustle some of the savages)




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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2002, 12:55:11 PM »
The 205 would be one of my primary rides if only it could carry a drop tank.

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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2002, 01:49:46 PM »
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In a 1 vs 1 I dont think any other aircraft can take the g10....


bahahahahaha  good one.  The hook was too obvious though, you'll need to bait it better than that.

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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2002, 03:27:19 PM »
Hook or not, he is right...G-10 is one of the best 1 on 1 planes.

It starts to pale in many vs many situations.

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2002, 04:20:07 PM »
And I disagree.  The G10, with initial advantage, does have the ability to maintain, or even gain more, advantage, 1 vs. 1.  The problem is usually in the end game where the G10 has more trouble against someone who knows how to drag it slow, or very fast.  The Hi-Yo/Lag turn thing is fine until the enemy starts to out-roll you and scissors you to death.  Or, if he High-Yo's on you too and gets you caught at the top slow where he can out-turn you.

The G10 is a fine plane, but very difficult to fly well.  Lots of G10 pilots chase kills around and are unable to finish them because they know they are vulnerable to chasing P-51's, P-47's etc into high speed dives so have to let the prey, at best, go.  They also know when they meet a Co-alt Spit that they may have some troubles (as mentioned) because the Spit will slow everything down into a turning fight.  Sure, the G10 can likely escape, but that's not a kill and is just wasting time or at best tieing up one enemy plane.

The G10 is fine many on many, simply use it like a slashing attacker, cutting through the pile and picking off anything that crosses your nose.  Nice long high speed climbs on each side to maintain and replace any energy you lost on your attack.

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2002, 06:19:39 PM »
Doesn't have the firepower for many on many in my opinion, unless you use the gondolas.  Even then, the firepower isn't outstanding.  I'd rate it right around or slightly less than a Spit IX, and the gondolas really screw up the handling (at least they seem to when I fly with them).  

It is a good 1v1 plane, it'll give anything except a Spit IX and an La7 a really hard time.

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2002, 01:25:55 PM »
Many vs many requires speed to stay alive (if you are not superhuman with super SA and reflexes etc.).

Speed makes your firing opportunities short.

G-10 doesn't have neither handling nor snapshot ability for short firing opportunities.

If your target is determined to deny you a shot, you will have a tough time in a G-10. In 1 vs 1 duel, where running is not an option, G-10 will dictate the fight.

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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2002, 04:56:42 PM »
Hristo,
  I agree with everything you say, except, the no hitting power.  30mm, very effective, but not accurate except at short ranges.  Also, the cowl mounted weapons are not all that bad, though nothing like the single tater hit.  I see HB do it all the time, slash people in the G10 with taters... very effective.  You basically catch people because of your speed and before their SA has had time to adjust to you coming out of nowhere.

Gondolas, good for bombers, ok for snapshots, else, best left in the hanger.

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