Author Topic: Is there anything in england that is better than in the states?  (Read 4498 times)

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Is there anything in england that is better than in the states?
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2002, 10:42:14 AM »
the brits sent over some good rock and roll (for a while) but you could've kept Elton John .


as a matter of fact, the US is just the recipient of all the good things in other countries :)

it's good to live in the melting pot (most times)

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« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2002, 11:19:39 AM »
As Dowding has pointed out it is nearly impossible to compare England and the US so I suggest we look for individual items common to both countries to compare. Take, for instance, squirrels.

England's native squirrel is known as the Red Squirrel. America's native squirrel is known as the grey squirrel. The red squirrel is smaller and appears emasculated due to its bad teeth whereas the American Grey squirrel is larger, has a hull head of sharp teeth (ask any Brit who's been bitten by one) and, since introduced to England has proliferated and nearly driven the Red Squirrel to the brink of extention.

In fact there are cases in England of grey squirrels fighting foxes, so not only has the American Grey Squirrel banished the smaller, more moth eaten British Red Squirrel further down the food chain, but the Grey Squirrel is beginning to compete with all the mammals of the British Iles for dominance atop the food chain. I am confident the American Grey Squirrel, without the predatition common here in America, will grow larger and more ferocious with each generation and will soon be the most feared mammal in the British Isles.

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« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2002, 11:39:46 AM »
dowding.... the brits once controlled more of the worlds(known) resources than any other two countries combined..  apparently they did something wrong and we did something right.

sitting in a bar is worthless.

as for 40% of the worlds inventions... doubt it.   even if it were true tho... why are you so backwards?   what good does it do you?   I maintain that in the U.S..... whatever we need we get.  If we need to invent 40% of everything we will.
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« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2002, 11:39:55 AM »
I'm not sending them my squirrel gun.. uh uh no way

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« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2002, 11:42:55 AM »
tell u what is better in britan tho... newspapers... they don't pretend to be unbiased.   they each have their particular bias and report as such..  you can choose... here we have media pretending to be unbiased when they are anything but.
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« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2002, 11:47:32 AM »
yeah, but then again.. we can get those newspapers over here :)

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« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2002, 11:57:42 AM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
tell u what is better in britan tho... newspapers... they don't pretend to be unbiased.   they each have their particular bias and report as such..  you can choose... here we have media pretending to be unbiased when they are anything but.
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Are you saying that the British are so dumb that the bias of their papers has to be pointed out to them?

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« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2002, 11:58:10 AM »
ok, look....it all boils down to this:


USA and GB are allies, ever since that little spat we had (btw, the line "bombs bursting in air" was inspired by the Royal Navy shelling some fortress somewhere, so ya do have something to thank us for) we've always been and always will be allies.  Now ask yourself this, if you really had to choose an allie.....who would you rather be fighting next to?

Exactly, now stfu ;).


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« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2002, 12:38:33 PM »
The Star Spangled Banner is about the fall of old Fort Detroit.

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« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2002, 12:51:31 PM »
U.S. Cracks Case of British Hacker
Tue Nov 12, 9:14 AM ET
By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal authorities have cracked the case of an international hacker who broke into roughly 100 unclassified U.S. military networks over the past year, officials said Monday.

 

Officials declined to identify the hacker, a British citizen, but said he could be indicted as early as Tuesday in federal courts in northern Virginia and New Jersey. Those U.S. court jurisdictions include the Pentagon (news - web sites) in Virginia and Picatiny Arsenal in New Jersey, one of the Army's premier research facilities.


The officials declined Monday to say whether this person was already in custody, but one familiar with the investigation, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, said investigators consider the break-ins the work of a professional rather than a recreational hacker.


Authorities planned to announce details of the investigation Tuesday afternoon.


Officials said U.S. authorities were weighing whether to seek the hacker's extradition from England, a move that would be exceedingly rare among international computer crime investigations.


Officials said this hacker case has been a priority among Army and Navy investigators for at least one year. One person familiar with the investigation said the hacker broke into roughly 100 U.S. military networks, none of them classified. Another person said the indictments were being drafted to reflect break-ins to a "large number" of military networks.


In England, officials from the Crown Prosecution Service, Scotland Yard and the Home Office declined comment Monday.


A civilian Internet security expert, Chris Wysopal, said that a less-skilled, recreational hacker might be able to break into a single military network, but it would be unlikely that same person could mount attacks against dozens of separate networks.


"Whenever it's a multistage attack, it's definitely a more sophisticated attacker," said Chris Wysopal, a founding member of AtStake Inc., a security firm in Cambridge, Mass. "That's a huge investigation."


The cyber-security of U.S. military networks is considered fair, compared to other parts of government and many private companies and organizations. But until heightened security concerns after the Sept. 11 attacks, the Defense Department operated thousands of publicly accessible Web sites. Each represented possible entry-points from the Internet into military systems unless they were kept secured and monitored regularly.


It would be very unusual for U.S. officials to seek extradition. In previous major cyber-crimes, such as the release of the "Love Bug" virus in May 2000 by a Filipino computer student and attacks in February 2000 by a Canadian youth against major American e-commerce Web sites, U.S. authorities have waived interest in extraditing hacker suspects to stand trial here.

Once, the FBI (news - web sites) tricked two Russian computer experts, Vasily Gorshkov and Alexey Ivanov, into traveling to the United States so they could be arrested rather than extradited. The Russians were indicted in April 2001 on charges they hacked into dozens of U.S. banks and e-commerce sites, and then demanding money for not publicizing the break-ins.

FBI agents, posing as potential customers from a mock company called Invita Computer Security, lured the Russians to Seattle and asked the pair for a hacking demonstration, then arrested them. Gorshkov was sentenced to three years in prison; Ivanov has pleaded guilty but hasn't been sentenced.

But the Bush administration has toughened anti-hacking laws since Sept. 11 and increasingly lobbied foreign governments to cooperate in international computer-crime investigations. The United States and England were among 26 nations that last year signed the Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime, an international treaty that provides for hacker extraditions even among countries without other formal extradition agreements.

There have been other, high-profile hacker intrusions into U.S. military systems.

In one long-running operation, the subject of a U.S. spy investigations dubbed "Storm Cloud" and "Moonlight Maze," hackers traced back to Russia were found to have been quietly downloading millions of pages of sensitive data, including one colonel's e-mail inbox. During three years, most recently in April 2001, government computer operators watched as reams of electronic documents flowed from Defense Department computers, among others.

In 1994, two young hackers known as "Kuji" and "Datastream Cowboy" were arrested in England on charges they broke into the U.S. Air Force's Rome Laboratory. They planted eavesdropping software that allowed them to monitor e-mails and other sensitive information.

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« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2002, 03:14:26 PM »
Argument over who has the "better" special forces is friggin stupid to begin with.  Any one of any of'em will kick your sorry computer oggling butts in a New York minute anyway.  They are all good at what they do... none are any better than the rest.
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« Reply #86 on: November 12, 2002, 03:51:32 PM »
welp  , sorry yall finally going to do it, i agree with GOFASTER,  Page 3  , link

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« Reply #87 on: November 12, 2002, 04:01:51 PM »
right on Tumor

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« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2002, 06:45:31 PM »
LOL!  Thought I might have got a mention in here! :) Sorry for the delay - was enjoying myself in Pizzaland. :D

No axe to grind either way, really. Britain has close links with Europe these days, so the comparison ought to be living in England v living in the US, as this would take account of our daily lives and what is available to us in the form of foreign visits. Eg. I have been to Holland once (WB con), Italy once, France twice, and Spain four times - all in 2002.

When I go to the US, the things I welcome are things like the choice of places to eat out, and nice hotels at sensible prices - except New York, of course. I think if I was living in the US again, I would miss having Europe on my doorstep.

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« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2002, 07:02:54 PM »
Corvette and Viper would eat any limey sportscar for breakfast.  The last thing limeys should be bragging about is their automotive industry.

As for "real engineering" - F1 guys are just guys who couldn't hack it in aerospace.  Real technology is things like space flight and fighter planes.  Last I saw the limeys were hitching rides on our space ships and buying our fighters.
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