Ram my firend, remember that u are in a game (hellllloooo). During WW2 it was rare to find B17's alone but here, for the gaming purpose it's pretty common.
You need to strengthen their parts and guns a bit. And stop whinning Ram, u grounded, eh toc! Hummm, even better, go fly a buff for one whole week and we will see how u changed ur point of view.
When u in a buff and u see a canon plane higher than you, and this things dives, you know that at best you will finish both dead if it's an average pilot. And this is a miserable feeling knowing all the time you waited to climb and proceed to the target.
Just assume that attacking buffs full HO or full 6 (high or low) is not the safest way.
Remember also that guns are more and more deadly when u are closer from ur target, works for the canons and the .50 of the fortress. I hit planes flying toward me several times and they still fly but if I hit them when they zoom by my turret filling my screen, a couple of pings and zip here goes the wing.
When I was starting playing AH, and I was buff hunting in those miserable german machines, I used to fly right to the buff and because of the efficiency of the guns, when I was very close, the buff usually blew off and I was surviving flying thru it. (No debris in AH, boom and you disapear).

<mais non Saw, je fais des vers sans en avoir l'air hehehe>
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 06-07-2000).]