Author Topic: Arrogant Unnecessary B.S. in the MA (Read 2157 times)

FDutchmn · « **Reply #105 on:** November 17, 2002, 07:51:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Gypsy Baron
IMO, if you are not AT the fleet, actively engaged in it's
defense or offense, then you should NOT be in command
of the fleet...period!

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Originally posted by Arfann
There's an easy solution to this whole problem. RL TG commanders don't fly cap or attack or man PT boats or even ship guns. Command should be up for grabs as soon as the existing commander ups in a plane, boat, gun, or anything else. You want command? Sit there and command. Pulling rank to take command should make you unable to up in anything else for 20 or 30 minutes. This will keep the LBPB's out of the way for a bit as well.

can we expand on these ideas a little bit? Can we make it so that for one to have control over the CV he has to up from the Task Group and he has control over it for 20 to 30mins? Of course ranks do have to come into play... just a thought.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #106 on:** November 17, 2002, 07:58:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Fariz
I make a mission which make many rooks and nits unhappy. Shall I stop making them for this reason?

I pork fuel at enemy bases or kill fh's, which deny many friendlies of a happy low furball. Shall I stop porking fuel and kill fh's at enemy bases?

When I deny enemy of a chance to kill me, and leave him unhappy, is it wrong? SHall I fly straight to make him happy to kill me?

Fariz, I think you are mistaken about what Dago wanted to say. He is talking about your own countrymen, not the enemy.

Fariz · « **Reply #107 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:09:35 AM »

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Originally posted by FDutchmn
DMF hits it right on the head... I have been ranting about this all along.

He is right? Make it this way: 3 fields, 1 for each country, disbable capture, and let people furball there non stop 24/7. Disable MA. You know what will happen with HTC in 3 months? HT will sell his plane for sure

On the other end it is a Pizza map, which is a strat heaven with lot of possibilities for unopposed captures. How many people enjoys it?

By my understanding clear strat people are a strong minority in this game, as a clear furball or clear scores people. Many are somewhere between, with bit of this and bit of that. Average AH player enjoy winning, but if it comes too easy he soon became borred, and switch somewhere else.

So the answer for Todd question is easy in case of AH: ballance. It is a most important question of any game design, and AH is not an exception.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #108 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:29:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Fariz
So the answer for Todd question is easy in case of AH: ballance. It is a most important question of any game design, and AH is not an exception.

LOL... Fariz, kindly re-read what I or DMF posted... did we say any other than what you say here? I don't understand what you are trying to piont out other than that we all three are in unison.

Fariz · « **Reply #109 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:32:10 AM »

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Originally posted by FDutchmn
Fariz, I think you are mistaken about what Dago wanted to say. He is talking about your own countrymen, not the enemy.

Dutch, check item 2.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #110 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:34:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Fariz
Dutch, check item 2.

oops edit... checked the wrong post... brb

Fariz · « **Reply #111 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:42:25 AM »

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Originally posted by FDutchmn
you mean the strat part?

I mean this.

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pork fuel at enemy bases or kill fh's, which deny many friendlies of a happy low furball. Shall I stop porking fuel and kill fh's at enemy bases?
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Fariz · « **Reply #112 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:49:36 AM »

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Originally posted by FDutchmn
LOL... Fariz, kindly re-read what I or DMF posted... did we say any other than what you say here? I don't understand what you are trying to piont out other than that we all three are in unison.

May be a language problem. I think Todd means that AH MA is more a flying sim than a strat wargame. May be I understand it wrong, I hope he will clarify it.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #113 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:50:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Fariz
I mean this.

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pork fuel at enemy bases or kill fh's, which deny many friendlies of a happy low furball. Shall I stop porking fuel and kill fh's at enemy bases?
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ahhh ok, Fariz, with that I would just see a conflict of interest in the players in the same area. Sooo, would I ask for the FHs to be killed even if the base is capped and by killing the FHs it would kill my chance for vulching. In fact, yes, I would ask for the FH to be killed if my objective is capturing the base rather than vulching. I think you've seen this a countless times while you spent your time as Oesau in Rookland. People are asking for the FHs not to be killed so that they can vulch. Yes, it does kinda limit the dweebery of vulching and the fun that it comes with it... well, if the objective capturing a base, that should be the primary objective. Sooo, I agree with you a 100% on that one...

But... all I am saying here is that I wouldn't take control of a CV that is not in the area that I am fighting, on the token that if that happened to me, I wouldn't be happy either.

Fariz · « **Reply #114 on:** November 17, 2002, 09:00:38 AM »

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Originally posted by FDutchmn
But... all I am saying here is that I wouldn't take control of a CV that is not in the area that I am fighting, on the token that if that happened to me, I wouldn't be happy either.

Ok, it is understandable in fact. I am not happy when someone get fleet from me also. But what you will do after it happens?

Lets say you get a field town down, putting cv in position for lvt, and someone with higher rank turns cv and drive it away. What is your actions?

FDutchmn · « **Reply #115 on:** November 17, 2002, 09:14:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Fariz
I think Todd means that AH MA is more a flying sim than a strat wargame.

Actually, that is what he wants, NOT IS a flying sim but that is what he is seeking from the game.

Quite frankly, I feel the same way he does. Right now I feel that there is too much emphasis on strat, from my view point, even if bombers are kinda gone.

Once in a while, I do enjoy testing my ability to egg a building or fuel tank, capture bases, drive a panzer or ostwind for the fun of it. At other times, I would rather test my ability against a manned object, like enemy fighter or a gunned buff.

Lately, I think I am doing more of the former where I target AI objects rather than manned objects.

In the end, we all just asking for balance, but how this balance is met is just becomes a matter of taste on what each one of us wants in the arena.

I have stated what I "see" from my side, like in
Suffering from the BigPac Burnout Syndrome ... which I'd like hear your comments on... although I think we have different way for seeing things...

FDutchmn · « **Reply #116 on:** November 17, 2002, 09:27:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Fariz
Ok, it is understandable in fact. I am not happy when someone get fleet from me also. But what you will do after it happens?

Lets say you get a field town down, putting cv in position for lvt, and someone with higher rank turns cv and drive it away. What is your actions?

Fariz, this is a very hypothetical question and I honestly can't see this happening, especially if it is clear for the guys involved what the objective is.

Btw, I am not accusing you of anything, nor am I saying that anyone has any right to penalize you in anyway. Please don't get me wrong here.

This thread is an extension of what happened in the arena. True, there are more polite ways of handling things. The guy who started this thread... what's his name... had openly apologized to you for using your name in public. Let's leave that part as that.

In the end, whatever I say or anyone with an opinion here, it does not really matter, until the guys involved can work it out on their own when it happens in the arena. All this is just reference material... well, that's the way I would see things here.

Bodhi · « **Reply #117 on:** November 17, 2002, 10:34:46 AM »

FD,

I appreciate you trying to find resolve in this issue, but unfortunately, it is not simply a matter of gameplay mechanics. The heart of what happened (in my eyes) is over an attitude of, "I know better and you are going to do it my way." That just does not cut it for me, nor did it cut it for those involved with the use of the CV.

All strat everything else aside, more people were having fun using a CV and attacking, and an individual was disappointed in his mission turn out, so he took the CV, to force us to stop attacking a base. Is that type of action right? Not in my eyes. Not in the eyes of those involved. This quickly blew out of porportion, I never used derogatory remarks against the individual involved in the MA, I did here, and that was wrong. Then, again my mistake, I used this board as a sounding to try and get this behavior modified so that others do not get continually slighted by those constantly having little General disease.

Either way it heads, we all have our own opinions. For myself, I would just like to see people use a bit of common courtesy in the future. Otherwise, this quickly degerates into a Quake atmosphere, and then it is time to move on...

Fariz · « **Reply #118 on:** November 17, 2002, 01:26:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
FD,
I never used derogatory remarks against the individual involved in the MA, I did here, and that was wrong.

That bodhi guy will be a politic one day. Acepting what can't be denied, and denying what can't be proved.

HT, Pyro, Skuzzy are AH chat logs are stored? Is it possible to check them around the time when this thread first started, and put the end to this issue? Please!

ET · « **Reply #119 on:** November 17, 2002, 01:47:29 PM »

It did not matter that we thought it was wrong, stupid, ridiculous and unfair. He was the sergeant and he had the stripes and the rank. So he said we WILL do it his way. And so we marched off to do the job whistling the theme from The Bridge on The River Kwai. We got over it.