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Creamo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2002, 03:42:03 AM »

See, the French Army and its engineers, did not just surrender in mass without a fight. They tried to mimic the USA, as proof here with the “Mickey Mouse” tank.

It did not impress the German’s and it’s Tiger tanks however.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:08:31 AM »

diddly you Creamo.

Creamo · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:26:38 AM »

Be gentle, that's all new to me.

Course, if I argue and make you mad, what you going to do? Give your gun to the first foreigner you see, and make em cheese, and bring them wine? Maybe ask them if the French women entertaining them should shave their armpits or just wait on them all day instead?

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:49:25 AM »

Yeah you are one those those cowards who argue behind their computer screens.

It's a question of respect. People did die to try to protect their homes, familly and lifestyle. The fact that they were underequiped and get their butt kicked takes nothing away to their sacrifice.

I dare you to stand in front off my grand father, look at him in the eye and tell him he surrendered. 5 brothers, 1 died burned with his tanked, 1 was tortured and flame throwed in the courtyard of the house, himself was captured, tortured, forced to work for the Germans.

I'm sorry I end up insulting people, or raming their teeth when they are facing me, but I'm sure you will understand that the "jocke" is inapropriate.

Since you are at it and feel vocal, why don't you go to the "Vietnam memory wall" in D.C. for Veteran day and tell them that they got ran away by a couple of guys in Pyjamas?

Creamo · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2002, 08:59:42 AM »

No, Animal is black, so I spent the rest of the night holding him and trying to calm his tears while you enjoyed yourself at making me feel bad about French Mickey Mouse goofs. Feeling very much locked in our cell we took a walk on the beach together, this was somewhat healing, the surf and sand managed to calm us down a bit.

And you and you grandfather forgot to bring us wine, you sunuvasqueak.

SELECTOR · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2002, 12:34:08 PM »

the french forces fought a tough fight, and did a heroic job in slowing down the german army. the thing is the french belgiums duch and the rest includeing us the british were not prepared or armed for the new blitzgreig type of war..and unfortunatly at that time the usa tactics and equipment were not up to the job either..
if it wasnt for the french and belgium armys the british forces(along with our allies) would not have been able to evacuate from the beach of dunkirk where my grandfather saw his brother killed..
i for one think the european nations who were occupied, their people who fought against the nazis had a lot of courage..if they were captured they would almost certainly be executed..
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Bodhi · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2002, 02:36:11 PM »

Chances are that the tank in the background whilst of French design and manufacture was captured and pressed into service by the German Army. It was quite a common thing for the Germans, and it kept a lot of obsolecent equipment alive throughout the war. The German tank looks to be a Tiger, and if so, it did not see service during the invasion of France.

easymo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2002, 03:08:25 PM »

Lets just say, the French surrender was a little premature. They still had men, arms, and most importantly, the national treasury was in good shape. They could have aquired more equipment. It was just a lack of backbone.

The reference to Vietnam is legitimate. Another lack of backbone. The courage of the soldier means little. In both of these cases the lack of backbone rested with the leadership. It is a reminder to both democracies to choose wisely at election time.

straffo · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2002, 04:27:09 PM »

Calme toi olivier c'est pas le plus furieux qui ait posté dans les forum HTC.
Au moins c'est le seul qui ait fait une tentative proche de l'humour (j'ai bein dit proche) ...
Ce qui n'est pas le cas de ceux que j'ai épinglé précédement et que j'épinglerais de nouveau plus tard ....

wolf37 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2002, 04:42:13 PM »

greetings all:

The French put up a minor fight, but as was already stated, they and the rest of the world where not ready for the new tatics used by the German army.

Now as for surrendering when they did, yeah they could have put up more of a fight. But then Paris and a lot of civilians would have suffered. it was a fight they would not have won and it was better to surrender when they did.

Now of course it is easy to say what and how over 50 years later.

Fariz · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2002, 05:18:17 PM »

Strange how picture of Tiger turned into discussion how good France did in this war. This discussion now belongs to historical thread or OC.

I can say I have a greatest respect for a France and its people. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry is my favourite author from childhood to the modern day, and I would never get interest for a sky without his "Flight to Arras". Read it please, you will know how the people died with knowing that their death will not change anything, but still fought. Please, do me a favour, read this book.

To the picture: this picture was taken at Kursk, at least I saw it in several references about Kursk battle. Tank behind is t34 or the 1942 design, at front Tiger I. There are people who knows armors much better than me, correct me if I wrong pls.

Sixpence · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2002, 11:01:31 PM »

I think it is from the eastern front, not sure honestly. I just thought it was a good action pic of the tiger.

Sixpence · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2002, 11:09:47 PM »

Jagdpanther

DA98 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2002, 11:42:56 PM »

Fariz, I'm reading that same book right now, I thought about posting earlier, but you finally beat me to it

It's a very sobering read; the french soldiers were going to the battle knowing that all was already lost, willing to give their lives for... nothing. Just to delay the inevitable outcome. Following orders, absurd orders, issued by a high command that controlled nothing, that knew nothing about what was happening at the front, because communication systems weren't working. Moving troops by roads full of civilians evacuating the battle zones was impossible. Trying to organize a counter attack with demoralized, scattered, tired troops was vain. But despite all these things against them, french soldiers kept going to the front, knowing that their deaths would be, at the end, useless.