Stem celly goodness.

[hardcase]

Women are second class citizens in every country. If a man got pregnant, we would not be having this discussion. Abortion is a womens defense against being tied to some "Daddy will take care of you honey" kind of guy. You would be surprised how many acts of "rape" occur thru socio-economic oppression.

Funny how men think life is precious, but women are chattel with no life other than be a brood mare.


HC

[hardcase]

Umbilicals exist at every birth and are considered trash. GW and the Christian Right say those can't be used

[Eagler]

Originally posted by hardcase
Umbilicals exist at every birth and are considered trash. GW and the Christian Right say those can't be used

I ain't got a problem using those - but then I ain't GW nor the Christian Right, regardless of what conclusions some have drawn here

[Hortlund]

Thrawn, Hardcase and the rest of you pro-abortionists. How "late" should abortions be allowed?

Considering the fact that the baby can survive outside the mothers body after the 22nd week.

Personally I feel there is a line there somewhere..when the baby can survive outside the mother, it becomes less of the mothers choice and more of the babys right to life...if you know what I mean.

I am pretty sure that NO ONE wants to see the Chinese variant...where abortions are allowed up until the baby draws its first breath.

So where do you draw the line?

Because that "window of opportunity" between the day the mother realizes that she is pregnant, and the day where the kid can survive alone is rapidly closing as medical science advances.

Any thoughts?

(And no, Im not a fanatic anti abortionist...I guess having a kid of your own changes your perpective a bit)

[hardcase]

Arent third trimester abortions illegal except to save the mothers life? That would be up to the 24th week for those mathematically challenged.

HC

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Thrawn, Hardcase and the rest of you pro-abortionists. How "late" should abortions be allowed?

I try always to respond t the anti-choice crowd.

Five months.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by hardcase
Arent third trimester abortions illegal except to save the mothers life? That would be up to the 18th week for those mathematically challenged.

HC

LOL Dude, I have two kids, and I really tried to pay attention during those two pregnancies, but I still dont have a clue what a trimester is.

I know that the word is used though...

Trimester=month?

[hardcase]

Premmies have vast problems that medical science cannot fix.  They can save premmies but at what cost. They are usually a burden on parents and community because of their retardation, blindness,

The premise of these agruments is that "life is precious" That axiom has not been tested. We really kill each other with abandon, thru acts of ourselves or others. Is it only precious when it is just a mass of cells that can divide and must live off another to continue to do so?


HC

[hardcase]

Full term is 9 months...36 weeks..divided into 3 `12 week parts...Each pact is 1/3 of a full term.....Second semester is actually 24 weeks..but that is border line for abortions

HC

[Thrawn]

Trimester is about 3 months.  Gestation generally lasts about 10 months, I don't know where the 9 month thing came from.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by hardcase
Premmies have vast problems that medical science cannot fix.  They can save premmies but at what cost. They are usually a burden on parents and community because of their retardation, blindness,
 

Yeah, better to kill them off the bastards.  

...Hitler had a similar idea.

[hardcase]

Let me get this straight..I find abortion a terrible shame. When our society can make it possible for women to avoid pregnancies,without moralist involving themselves, when this society can truly take care of infants and children having children. When this society educates everyone, when this society cures it ills,those of ignorance, violence,  and governmental policy, when this society make is possible for women to feel secure enought in their lives to bring children into the world, the perhaps the need for abortions will subside.  When the country fixes itself, there might  not be a need for abortions. No matter the situation,  I will support a women's right to choose.

[hardcase]

Medical science has advanced to the point they can keep a preemie breathing, but nothing much more for all the interrupted maturing processes that go on in the womb. It is very easy to say how someone else should behave toward their tragedies. I gave up trying to be everyone's "Daddy" a long time ago. I simply support their decisions. Life is more than breathing.

HC

[hardcase]

40 weeks? Arent pregnacies consider late when they pass the 36th week?  I found one grade school referencee saying 40 weeks and others giving 265 days as an average. That is right at 36 weeks. I belive the courts accept 9 months as the average gestation period. Do a google on Human Gestation Period and find most consider 9 months the norm.



HC

[weazel]

Better go see the dentist stevie.....