Author Topic: just an idea (Read 906 times)

vorticon · « **on:** November 18, 2002, 09:19:03 PM »

i was just thinking that if we changed a small detail it could make the game more fun.

how about certain towns factories supply a limited amount of certain planes to several bases. if the factory in the town was blown up eventually the bases it supplies will run out of certain planes. and even if the factory isnt blown up everytime a person takes up a plane one less is available at the hanger thus preventing over use of some planes and adding more strategy (if other changes were made) to the game. and by making the factories harder so that they can only be blown up by heavy bombers it makes people use the heavy bombers again. so what do you think?

palef · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2002, 09:49:07 PM »

AW used to do that for Spitfires.

Now there's an idea

palef

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** November 18, 2002, 10:33:13 PM »

So John Doe, Spitfire fan, logs on and dicovers that his $15.00 doesn't allow him to fly his favorite aircraft while Jane Doe, Bf109 fan, doesn't have to worry about it?

Gee, that sounds like a great idea.

That is only a tool for the plane Nazis (no inference to the real Nazis, but rather the soup Nazi) to try to force people to fly planes they deem "acceptable".

Bunch of marlarky.

Griego · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2002, 10:43:10 PM »

I like the idea but would like it to include all plane makes in porportion to which plane is flown the most. So there would be one less La7. Sound good to me.

Or have several factories that make different planes. Or a large city type of place with several factories in it each for a certain plane. or vechile type. Or severall cities with certain plane factories contained in them spread out throught out the country. Maybe the factories can be located in HQ.Or a zone HQ like in the pizza map.

palef · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2002, 11:40:59 PM »

Karnak, who bunched your shorts?

Calling me a Nazi is the most offensive thing anyone could call me or anyone else, even if you try to moderate it by equating it to the Soup Nazi idea I still find it offensive.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything here?

It's a bulletin board discussion group you right-wing reactionary (that was irony in case you missed it).

We're discussing stuff. I welcome your input, and a lot of what you have to say is worthy stuff.

Just because you don't like an idea you don't automatically get granted the right to be truly offensive.

Back off please.

I understand where you are coming from and I would never condone an idea that forces anyone into anything. This is after all a game, no matter how much money we put into it and any game by definition needs rules and guidelines to moderate the actions of the participants. So by definition you have been "forced" to play the AH "game" by someone else's design concepts and rules, which incidentally evolve over time and will continue to evolve as the "game" grows and changes.

This is just a suggestion that Vorticon has come up with, that in my past experience (AW) went some way towards balancing the gameplay for both the Strat fans and the Furball fans, by providing both a meaningful strat target and a way of limiting the "Spit" hordes as I have seen them described. The factories were buried way behind front lines and needed real cooperation to both get to them and kill them. I think they were then only down for 30 minutes.

Now AH isn't AW. I am happy with the design and concepts behind AH and I do not support this change because I want AH to be AW4. The Spit (and someone can correct me on this) tends to average about 10% of the kills during any Tour so maybe we could target the the aircraft that gets about 10-15% of the kills which (again someone feel free to correct me) is the P51D.

But then maybe not. All we can do is suggest ideas. Hitech Creations will implement them if they see fit to. If it doesn't happen I'm not going to whine about it.

I will whine about being collectively included in your description of people supporting this idea being Nazis.

Griego's idea is a good one IMO. It would make it very difficult to completely limit the availability of any aircraft, but would give the strat guys something to really go for.

palef

Shane · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:14:31 AM »

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Originally posted by palef
Griego's idea is a good one IMO. It would make it very difficult to completely limit the availability of any aircraft, but would give the strat guys something to really go for.

palef

sorry. i'm with karnak. it sucks. and i don't say this is defense of any plane, even tho i fly ponys, spits and la7's. i disagree with buffs being able to affect detrimentally other individual's "fun", removing planes has absolutely zero, zip, nada affect on the outcome of the hamstard wars. and when one side is in the reset bucket, it'll hurt even more.

just give buffs targets that are high in points but have very little efect on what is basically a tactical game. i mean isn't it all about blowing stuff up?

how about making them factories "bomber" factories? removing the other side's ability to use bombers? one b-17 factory, one lanc factory, ummm one a20 factory, one b26 factory etc etc so on and so fourth? this way bomber dudes can hurt each other like fighter dudes hurt other fighter dudes?

come to think of it, that's brillant!! my twist on it i mean. i mean look!!! if bombers are gonna be hitting bomber factories, i highly doubt fighters would bother to intercept, so you bomber guys can have bomber wars.

hmmm. how about it?

palef · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:53:08 AM »

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come to think of it, that's brillant!! my twist on it i mean. i mean look!!! if bombers are gonna be hitting bomber factories, i highly doubt fighters would bother to intercept, so you bomber guys can have bomber wars.

hmmm. how about it? [/B]

You evil little man

I like it!

Good reply Shane

palef

vorticon · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2002, 08:00:05 AM »

no one will have to worry about not being able to fly what they want its just that sometimes they will have to up from a different base (probably a problem on large maps) to use it. this will come in very usefull once we get the komet as when you go to bomb it you wont have 15 komets suddenly taking off on you. of course different planes willl be made in different cities. the idea is just to help stop people whining about bishes using only spits etc etc (just an example) and ads some strat people get to use bombers again. and the factories will be producing everthing...from tanks to bombers.

of course as this is a suggestion in a discussion board i dont just want yeahs and neahs i want good ideas to make it better and if you think it just stinks tell me how i can refine it until it is good

Shane · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2002, 08:09:52 AM »

who cares what people fly? i'm a little more concerned about *how* people fly.

how about this? every plane except those in top 4 useage should be slightly perked (leaving eny and obj values as is)... i mean we all know this game is perkie driven, so perking even a mere 202 at 1 perk will make it more desireable, right? this way those who chose to not fly the freebie top 4 can rightly feel smugly superior about their ride of choice.

empower the plane-nazi's!!!

lazs2 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2002, 08:11:04 AM »

LOL... more fluff guy ideas to limit the fighter guys fun.. So long as it is a free for all arena, then limiting anything for the country that won't fly enough fluffs is... silly. Why make it even more attractive to move to the country that has the most numbers? After all.... isn't fluffing a direct relationship of percentages? aren't there only a small percentage of the mouse weilders? the country with excess numbers allways has a lot more fluff tards to spare. What would be so fun about the largest (number wise) country with the highest percentage of lameos having the best planes? Like perk gone wild.

You want more variety that people can enjoy? don't do it by making things even more lopsided and unfun... make it by carving out the lower quarter or so of the hideous and unfun pizza map and making that part an early war only area of the map.
lazs

popeye · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2002, 08:35:40 AM »

"making that part an early war only area of the map"

Ok. As long as there's a landing gear crank factory that I can bomb. Then try flying your poofy powder blue F4F with the gear down....

Shiva · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2002, 08:49:14 AM »

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the country with excess numbers allways has a lot more fluff tards to spare.

Still eternally vigilant and eternally ready to blame your problems -- real or imagined -- on the bomber pilots, I see, Lasz. Never mind that the country with excessive numbers also has a lot more twit suicide jabos ready to hose fields.

You know, there's a simple solution to the issue of bombing having a real and measurable strategic effect -- create a number of aircraft factories in the countries; every time an aircraft factory is destroyed, a fighter is randomly selected from the planeset, and that plane becomes unavailable for Lasz to fly. That way, the bomber pilots get to feel that their actions are having a measurable effect, and Lasz gets confirmation that the bomber pilots are out to personally ruin his fun.

lazs2 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2002, 08:56:23 AM »

The gear goes up on the f4f?
lazs

muckmaw · « **Reply #13 on:** November 19, 2002, 09:10:44 AM »

I proposed a similar idea a while back. The factories are not necessarily Buff targets. Hell, Jabo's do the job of Buffs now anyway. So let's not make this another Buff Vs. Fighter thread.

The idea is to add challenge to the game. Karnak complains that this violates a persons right to fly what they want. Pick some of the other online games out there. You don't get everything you want, all the time. That's the challenge for a person to overcome. I used to play Ultima Online. I like a certain type of armor. If I got Killed, lost my armor, and did not have the money to purchase a replacement, guess what....I did not get that armor. I used something else. I was forced to adapt. It made the game that much more interesting.

So let's say there are 12 factories per country. Now, one gets bombed...A random vehicle (Fighter, Bomber, GV) is taken out of the set for 30 minutes.

Is it so tragic if Lazs loses his FM2 for 30 minutes? (Not singling you out Lazs, just an example.) The FM2 is my ride of choice now as well. WHat would I do? Go to the F4F, or the F6F.

Regardless, it allows you the chance for some diversity in the game.

This is not an idea for Buffs. This is an idea for everyone seeking a little more of a challenge.

Shane · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2002, 09:18:00 AM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
You don't get everything you want, all the time. That's the challenge for a person to overcome. I used to play Ultima Online. I like a certain type of armor. If I got Killed, lost my armor, and did not have the money to purchase a replacement, guess what....I did not get that armor. I used something else. I was forced to adapt. It made the game that much more interesting.

apples and oranges. *You* got yourself killed so *you* lost your armor.

would you have liked the idea of some raiding party attacking a forge in the rear lines making *your* armor disappear or your weapons less effective when you're miles away from that "factory" engaged in a heated battle with some Orcs?

didn't think so.