Author Topic: Death Penalty... yes or no? (Read 4070 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #105 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:23:05 PM »

I think it would be pretty funny if women started up a movement to have men castrated after a certain age in order to stop unwanted pregnancies.

hardcase · « **Reply #106 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:23:18 PM »

A little sidenote.

One of the markers to identify Colon Cancer is the CEA marker. Its name is CarcinoEmbryonic Antigen.

My understanding is..the Cancer is a cell turn ON by some DNA strand being turned back on, that was shut down during developement. You are 'pregnant'..your cells are growing rapidly and undifferentiated. That defintion is the the defintion of a neoblast growth.

Dont be to sure about, living..being alive.

HC

gofaster · « **Reply #107 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:30:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Wlfgng

public execution would deter a lot of these bozo's that thing it's worth it to commit a crime (serious henious crime) because the punishment is not tooo severe..

They tried that with pirates. All it did was disgust the people who wouldn't have turned pirate anyway. The real solution was an effective form of law enforcement in areas where piracy was active, which is why the hottest spot for modern-day piracy is the Phillipines and the South China Sea where jurisdictional borders are limited and there are plenty of tiny islands to hide on. Nowadays, its rebels/thieves in speedboats with automatic weapons knocking off fishing boats and coastal freighters. That's how a lot of the Islamic groups in the Phils are funding their terrorist activities.

If you want to reduce the incidence of crime, you have to implement an effective form of crime control. I'm not convinced that the death penalty is a good tool for that job, particularly when the risk of convicting an innocent person exists.

Kanth · « **Reply #108 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:36:30 PM »

testing new signature...

sorry Kieran, it's the first time I've seen you get so worked up, I gotta make a short memorial to it

lazs2 · « **Reply #109 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:37:38 PM »

comon guys... hardcase... are you really that dense or are you pretending? guess it comes out the same... we are not doing anything to the mother when we abort or not abort her child save killing or not killing her child.. no worse or better than what we are doing to the father. Killing a sociopath puts him out of his misery and protects the lives of anyone else he may kill in the future. The baby is an unknown maybe a killer too but.... Who knows? sheesh we may have killed the hundreds of guys capable of the cure for cancer or aids before they were old enough to pick up a test tube.

now.... seriously.... do you guys know what a healthy white baby goes for on the open market? soon... it will be healthy black babies... abortion seems kinda... at the very least... "superflourous"? Again.... the mother need not keep the baby. We house, feed, clothe and otherwise coddle millions of people that have proven that they are worthless pieces os toejam with little chance of being anything else... maybe we are killing the wrong people?

Still.... no one here has told me at what point human life and, human rights starts. I think we need to get that out of the way before we can even discuss "abortions"
lazs

babek- · « **Reply #110 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:37:39 PM »

Death Penalty ? No.

If you want to punish criminals in a way that they are really hurt and scared - then put them for the rest of their life in a jail with no chance of them to get back to freedom.

And I mean jail and not a closed holiday appartment.

Thrawn · « **Reply #111 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:39:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
Thrawn
the difference is a Soul,

There's the money shot!!

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but as you do not believe in one, I can only guess there is no difference to you btwn a worm and a baby.

sorry to hear that

Of course there is a difference between a baby and a worm, don't be obsurde.

Kieran, you read right.

lazs2 · « **Reply #112 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:39:43 PM »

babek... we do not have the kind of jails you describe here in the U.S. they do not and never will exist. I am not into torture. put the sick diddlys out of their misery.
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #113 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:43:27 PM »

thrawn... surely there are forms of birth control other than castration?

The whole thing may be moot when a "morning after" pill is widely distributed that works with no side affects. To each to deal with his own morality.
lazs

Thrawn · « **Reply #114 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:43:47 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Killing a sociopath puts him out of his misery and protects the lives of anyone else he may kill in the future.

Except when the sociopath is an innocent man.

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Still.... no one here has told me at what point human life and, human rights starts. I think we need to get that out of the way before we can even discuss "abortions"
lazs

I answered you the first time.

Kieran · « **Reply #115 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:47:32 PM »

Thrawn-

Well, in that case... I am the proud father of two tumors. One will be 6 next week, the other 12 at the end of December. At first we thought they were malignant, but with proper treatment and diet my wife was able to evacuate them with no invasive surgery required.

They're pretty smart, as tumors go. Not saying we have the cure for cancer (though imagine the irony!), but they seem to be coping well despite being somewhat less than human. I guess we (my wife and I) are just happy it worked out to be convenient enough for us to avoid surgery.

Kanth · « **Reply #116 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:50:50 PM »

LMAO!!! Damnit that's too much for a signature!!!

hardcase · « **Reply #117 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:53:52 PM »

My being against the death penalty has nothing to with the criminal. It harms any enlighten society. Our criminals did not grow up in a vacumn. They gave us plenty of warning,but we ignored it. We get the final product of our society and its tenets.

Ever seen a Swedish prison? They house men and women together in a household setting. They shop and cook their own meals for one thing.They are SOCIALIZED back into the society. Our method is punishment so that we release something worse. Those on death row, did not get their by themselves.

I for one do not want to be included with

AFGHANISTAN, ALGERIA, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, ARMENIA, BAHAMAS, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELIZE, BENIN, BOTSWANA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CHAD, CHINA, COMOROS, CONGO (Democratic Republic), CUBA, DOMINICA, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GABON, GHANA, GUATEMALA, GUINEA, GUYANA, INDIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, JAMAICA, JAPAN, JORDAN, KAZAKSTAN, KENYA, KOREA (North), KOREA (South), KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAOS, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBERIA, LIBYA, MALAWI, MALAYSIA, MAURITANIA, MONGOLIA, MOROCCO, MYANMAR, NIGERIA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, PHILIPPINES, QATAR, RWANDA, SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SOMALIA, SUDAN, SWAZILAND, SYRIA, TAIWAN, TAJIKISTAN, TANZANIA, THAILAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, TUNISIA, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE

Countries with death penalties for ordinary crimes..Amesty Internation web site.

HC

Thrawn · « **Reply #118 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:54:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Thrawn-

Well, in that case... I am the proud father of two tumors.

Kieran, that's totally out of context and not fair at all. I didn't call anyone's kid a tumour.

I compared fetus with tumors, in the sense that they are both human tissue and have no legal rights.

Kieran · « **Reply #119 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:55:19 PM »

Hey, my minor tumors don't have full rights either until they are twenty-one.