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Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #150 on: November 19, 2002, 03:55:53 PM »
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Is a woman who was pregnant and aborted, considered a mother?


Not in my opinion.

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« Reply #151 on: November 19, 2002, 03:56:10 PM »
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what soul? where is this 'soul' and what is it exactly? you don't know - it's just another of your wacky metaphysical opinions. the results of which pair unwated kids with unwilling parents or parent- yeah that's great guys. what's real is the problem unwanted kids will face.

what's broken in your common sense organ that prohibits you from distinguishing an unborn fetus from a person?

where are you when the problems start with this kid? your only advice would be 'trust in zambooby' or whatever your little imaginary friend's name is. man, you mystic wackos are getting tiresome -

:rolleyes:

why can't you people just go pray quietly somewhere and let the rest of us get on with it.


hey - he wanted to know the diff. In my book, that's it. Though I do believe in some sort of animal kingdom kinda spirt sense, american indian sort of thing..

promise to look me up and I you over there and we'll see who was right about "zamboody" all along :)

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« Reply #152 on: November 19, 2002, 04:09:35 PM »
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We dont have it here, the death penalty, but anyway
if we had the death penalty here, I always asked myself:
would I execute a Murder with my own hands ?
Its easy to say yes to death penalty as long as you dont
have to do the dirt job ?
Would you do it ?


Yes I would.  Pull the trigger, the lever, or throw the switch.
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« Reply #153 on: November 19, 2002, 05:26:44 PM »
If she has any living children she is.

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« Reply #154 on: November 19, 2002, 05:28:02 PM »
Not trying to make you angry, Thrawn, but I do wonder how you can relate a fetus to a tumor. And who's talking about rights, anyway? And... do you think the right to life supercedes the rights of the mother.

It's an interesting quandry, isn't it? You can argue killing a criminal is criminal AND argue that killing a fetus isn't really killing a person. I can argue killing a criminal is OK and  killing a fetus isn't. It's a moral choice to be sure, and I have to be comfortable with the choice I make within my own set of morals. I do want you to understand, I don't march in Pro-Life rallies or post signs in my yard. If you are going to have an abortion that is the choice you make. I can say it isn't the choice I'd make, and that's all.

And Hardcase, read the previous line carefully; I've never tried to tell you and your wife what to do. That thought pretty much mischaracterizes my feelings on the issue.

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« Reply #155 on: November 19, 2002, 05:28:44 PM »
BTW, Kanth that was a very good post. S!

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« Reply #156 on: November 19, 2002, 06:25:05 PM »
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If you are going to have an abortion that is the choice you make. I can say it isn't the choice I'd make, and that's all.


So then, afterall that, we arrive at square 1... I completely agree with that.

Kieran, sorry if I came of angry.. I was simply agitated from RL. My apologies.
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« Reply #157 on: November 19, 2002, 06:43:16 PM »
A relative is mine is adpoted, his mother didn't bear him but she is still his mother.  Raising a child makes you a mother or father, in my books anyways.

H. Godwinson, women that use abortion as a form of contraceptive are irresponsible amazinhunks in my books.  But, just because they are amazinhunks doesn't mean they should have their rights taken away.

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Thrawn, but I do wonder how you can relate a fetus to a tumor.


A tumour is a biological growth that your body produces, as is a fetus.  That's my comparison.  I'm not saying anything more then that.  It's just a comparison.


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who's talking about rights, anyway?


I thought women's rights versus fetus's rights was what the pro-life, pro-choice arguement was about.


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And... do you think the right to life supercedes the rights of the mother.


Difficult to saying anything about this with out knowing exactly what you mean by "right to life".


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It's a moral choice to be sure, and I have to be comfortable with the choice I make within my own set of morals.


That's exactly what it is.  I haven't heard any arguement as to why pro-life people believe that a human being is a human being at conception though.

As for the death penalty the only arguement that is defendable is that it's societie's revenge pure and simple.  No has yet proven that it is an effective deterrant, and the economic arrguement works against captial punishment.  And I think a society that kills it's own citizens is barbaric.


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If you are going to have an abortion that is the choice you make. I can say it isn't the choice I'd make, and that's all.


That's a pro-choice standpoint, not a pro-life one.  The pro-choice has room for women who are against abortion, if they are against it then they don't have to have one.
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« Reply #158 on: November 19, 2002, 06:58:28 PM »
Remember, I am conservative. I may not see the world the way you or anyone else does, but I also hold that I don't have the right to tell you how to live, or to make you accountable to me in any way. Don't confuse my personal stance on an issue as me trying to tell you what to do. That goes for drugs, alcohol, tobacco, abortion, gun control, etc. I don't think as a rule the government should get involved in issues that are not of grievous societal import.

And SW? Don't sweat it. I can't name a single BBS patron that doesn't have a bad day now and then.

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« Reply #159 on: November 19, 2002, 07:19:17 PM »
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If the death penalty is a deterant, why don't the states with capital punishment have the lowest incidence of homocides?


You mean states like  Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia?

The difference is that in the US, we wait 20 years before we off 'em.

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« Reply #160 on: November 19, 2002, 07:53:50 PM »
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You mean states like  Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia?

The difference is that in the US, we wait 20 years before we off 'em.


Now that's a good point.  But, how many innocent people do you think they kill in a year?  And would you like to see your country become more like Iraq, Iran and Saudie Arabia?

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« Reply #161 on: November 19, 2002, 09:16:00 PM »
Thank you K ! =)

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BTW, Kanth that was a very good post. S!
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« Reply #162 on: November 19, 2002, 09:23:05 PM »
Several months ago when having sex with my ex-girlfriend the condom had split.  Neither of us want children, she's a 17yr old student studying very hard to get good grades for Uni and i don't want any kids until i get a decent job (and older).  In the morning we marched off to the pharmacy and bought the morning after pill- £60 it was too! :eek:


So i guess i'm an evil murderer eh?
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« Reply #163 on: November 19, 2002, 10:03:32 PM »
If she is 17 and you are over 18 (don't know whether you are or not), aren't you in a trouble legally?
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« Reply #164 on: November 19, 2002, 10:04:13 PM »
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