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Offline Dowding (Work)

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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2002, 09:16:59 AM »
Hmmm... I don't think I put any figures to the number of abortions that were rape related. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

But surely you would have to 'kill (mutilate then suck out the remains) a being as innocent as they come' after you have justified its death? Or is it not as precious as a life conceived in more suitable circumstances?
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2002, 09:22:55 AM »
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Hmmm... I don't think I put any figures to the number of abortions that were rape related. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

But surely you would have to 'kill (mutilate then suck out the remains) a being as innocent as they come' after you have justified its death? Or is it not as precious as a life conceived in more suitable circumstances?


Yes. It'd be a tough call for the woman and her family. A call they'd have to live with the rest of their lives.

I'm saying the numbers on this situation are so small as not to be a viable excuse for legal abortions yet EVERY time this subject is brought up, this silly notion of  terminating "rape related" abortions is thrust to the fore front as the main reason an abortion is performed..
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2002, 09:26:40 AM »
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Would you perform an abortion?


to be honest Ripsnort, i dont know.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2002, 09:56:35 AM »
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I thought abortion was legal, ain't that a death penalty?


sorry, slipped over from other thread - carry on with your lame argument


No, that was a lame arguement.

Criminal on death row are human beings with moral significance, fetuses aren't.
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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2002, 09:59:15 AM »
Conservatives allow fetuses to grow and screw their own lives up before aborting them. Liberals abort the fetuses because the mother screwed up.

That ought to get a few mouths foaming...
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2002, 10:00:54 AM »
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Criminal on death row are human beings with moral significance, fetuses aren't.


Oh. So if your pregnant wife is hit by a drunk driver and she loses her "fetus", it isn't manslaughter, right?
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2002, 10:02:57 AM »
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No, that was a lame arguement.

Criminal on death row are human beings with moral significance, fetuses aren't.


No
your statement is lame

A human being that has killed another human being has a higher "moral significance" as you call it - than a human being that hasn't even had the opportunity to experience his/her life yet?

Does that really mean a murder has a "higher right to live" than that inconvenient pregnancy?

not in my book
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2002, 10:10:15 AM »
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Oh. So if your pregnant wife is hit by a drunk driver and she loses her "fetus", it isn't manslaughter, right?


Exactly.


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A human being that has killed another human being has a higher "moral significance" as you call it - than a human being that hasn't even had the opportunity to experience his/her life yet?

Does that really mean a murder has a "higher right to live" than that inconvenient pregnancy?


Exactly.

BTW, YOUR statement is more lame.  The question you should have asked is WHY does a criminal have more moral significance then a fetus.


However, I'll ask, WHY do you think a fetus have more moral signifance than a criminal on death row?
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2002, 10:16:24 AM »
Sorry Eagler but until the fetus becomes a child it's just that a fetus so the woman should have the right to have an abortion.
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2002, 10:16:42 AM »
I'll answer that. The fetus is completely innocent and completely without control of his/her situation. While it is convenient to label the fetus as "not life", it most certainly is alive. The fetus is being held accountable for the actions of the mother.

The criminal on death row has made his/her choices, relinquished his/her control of his/her life, and is now accountable for his/her actions.

It's pretty clear to me. Oh, and... if my wife was pregnant and you hit her while driving drunk and she lost the baby... I'd be going for manslaughter for all I was worth.
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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2002, 10:17:39 AM »
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However, I'll ask, WHY do you think a fetus have more moral signifance than a criminal on death row?


cause he/she has not comitted the crime(s) against humanity that the criminal on death row has

ever wonder how many Einsteins, Mother Theresas, MLK's, JFK's, heck, a decent leader for the Democrats - have wound up in the trash bag of your local abortion clinic?
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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2002, 10:20:01 AM »
A fetus is sucking a thumb by 3 months.  Yeah, just a fetus. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2002, 10:20:05 AM »
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Sorry Eagler but until the fetus becomes a child it's just that a fetus so the woman should have the right to have an abortion.


and when is that?

I say a fetus is a child - when is a child a child to you?
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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2002, 10:20:55 AM »
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A fetus is sucking a thumb by 3 months.  Yeah, just a fetus. :rolleyes:


My dick twitches around hot women.  Yeah, just a dick.  :rolleyes:
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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2002, 10:23:47 AM »
I'm against the death penalty, and for legal abortion.




Abortion should be limited, however, to only undeveloped fetuses less than 18 years old. Especially if they come home late or fail to do homework.
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